[MassHistPres] Basement windows

[Dennis De Witt]

Maybe its a matter of perception.  While I think storm panels are  
great for 1/1 on new construction, due to a building inspector's  
error we had 6/6 Marvins with storm panels put in an addition and we  
felt that the result was very unsatisfying -- looking like IG with  
internal muntins.  Even someone who had been inclined to support it  
in theory was less enthusiastic with the visual effect.

For cellar windows, I agree with Charlie.  Go to Brosco aka J&B.  Its  
the original thing.

Dennis De Witt


On Dec 13, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Marcia Starkey wrote:

> Marvin used to make a window with true-divided-lights and a storm  
> panel. I
> tend to think that the human eye sees what it expects to see much  
> of the
> time. Has anyone found that there is a relevant study that would  
> tell us how
> much this applies to a single pane outside a tdl window? My  
> reaction is that
> I can't accomodate the dark color screens, but I have little  
> trouble with
> the single exterior panes as they don't block the muntin view at most
> angles. This question has arisen in living history museums where its
> important to understand how much the visitor moves back and forth  
> from past
> to present and how that affects what non-verbal lessons the  
> environment is
> trying to convey. Marcia Starkey, Greenfield
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Forbes" <aforbes at rcn.com>
> To: <slater at alum.rpi.edu>; <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Basement windows
>
>
>> Ralph--
>>
>> I haven't seen all the responses that have been sent to you, but  
>> you might
>> check to see if the Marvin "Ultimate" window could be adapted for  
>> this
>> purpose.  The Acton HDC recently reviewed a double-hung, double- 
>> insulated
>> window in this line, and found it pretty acceptable for type of  
>> situation
>> you describe, where there is no existing sash to preserve.  This  
>> window is
>> all wood, with wood exterior muntins in a "putty" profile.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Anne Forbes, Acton
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <slater at alum.rpi.edu>
>> To: <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Basement windows
>>
>>
>>>> I suggest that you contact the North Bennet Street School and  
>>>> find a
>>>> graduate from their preservation carpentry program who may live in
>>>> your area.
>>>>
>>>> The program is a two year full time program and this is exactly  
>>>> what
>>>> they are trained to do.
>>>>
>>>> Check out the web site at www.nbss.org.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the good suggestions. The key I may have left out is
>>> that although Springfield recommends retaining original materials  
>>> and
>>> windows, we are moving to a position that says "if the window looks
>>> appropriate, replacement is allowed under the appropriateness
>>> category".
>>>
>>> We are looking for a double-insulated window since this will allow
>>> the exterior grids to be prominently displayed without the addition
>>> of a storm window. Since there is currently no existing window,  
>>> there
>>> is nothing left to preserve.
>>>
>>> So I'm basically looking for a Marvin, Anderson, etc., preferably
>>> wood, that will be able to go into these holes. All we've seen so  
>>> far
>>> are whte vinyl, and since the foundation is painted black, this will
>>> look ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Ralph Slate
>>> Springfield, MA
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