[MassHistPres] demolition by neglect

Thu Aug 23 12:45:43 EDT 2007

The City of Boston has demolition by neglect ordinances in at least some of 
its historic districts.  I do not have the text, but I recall (dimly) a case 
in which it was enforced.

J. Worden
Arlington HDC

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> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:15:44 -0400
> From: "Kate Newhall" <knewhall at beverlyma.gov>
> Subject: [MassHistPres] Demolition by Neglect Examples
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> Hello,
>
> I would greatly appreciate examples of Demolition by Neglect 
> by-laws/ordinances that have been already incorporated into town/city 
> regulations or are in draft form.
>
> Thank you for your help,
>
> Kate Newhall
> Associate Planner
> City of Beverly
> (p) 978-921-6000 x2346
> (f) 978-921-6187
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> www.beverlyma.gov
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> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:59:26 -0400
> From: "James Hadley" <jameswhadley at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Demolition by Neglect Examples
> To: "Kate Newhall" <knewhall at beverlyma.gov>, <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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> We in Orleans would appreciate reveiving the same.
> Jim Hadley, Chair Orleans HisCom.
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> From: "Kate Newhall" <knewhall at beverlyma.gov>
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> Subject: [MassHistPres] Demolition by Neglect Examples
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>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate examples of Demolition by Neglect
>> by-laws/ordinances that have been already incorporated into town/city
>> regulations or are in draft form.
>>
>> Thank you for your help,
>>
>> Kate Newhall
>> Associate Planner
>> City of Beverly
>> (p) 978-921-6000 x2346
>> (f) 978-921-6187
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:39:49 -0400
> From: "Kathryn and Alfred Sette" <asette at capecod.net>
> Subject: [MassHistPres] Demolition by Neglect
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> We in Eastham would like the same info.  This is a universal problem, I 
> suspect.  Kathy Sette
>
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> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:36:36 -0700
> From: <slater at alum.rpi.edu>
> Subject: [MassHistPres] MACRIS listings
> To: <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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> The state maintains a list of "historic assets" in its MACRIS database,
> viewable online:
>
> http://mhc-macris.net/
>
> Does inclusion in this register carry any weight with respect to public
> monies being used to demolish buildings?
>
> For example, if a property is listed on the National Register, the local
> historical commission gives an opinion as to whether any alteration done
> with federal dollars will adversely affect the property, and if it does,
> the project can be stopped at a higher level since the state and federal
> authorities respect the opinion of local historical commissions.
>
> In Springfield, the last surviving brick schoolhouse may be selected as
> a site for a new fire station. I don't think anyone knew that the
> property was historic when it was included in the selection process, and
> the site *is* attractive for a fire station. Unfortunately the building
> is not in a local historic district nor is it on the National Register.
> It does, however, exist in MACRIS, so it was surveyed at some point.
>
> I'm trying to find a quiver for my belt in case city officials don't
> immediately recognize that this last surviving schoolhouse shouldn't be
> torn down.
>
> Ralph Slate
> Springfield Historical Commission
>
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> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:03:30 -0400
> From: "Steinitz, Michael @ SEC" <Michael.Steinitz at state.ma.us>
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] MACRIS listings
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> Ralph,
>
> A starting point to understand the process relative to state and federal
> undertakings is the "Review and Compliance FAQ" on the Massachusetts
> Historical Commission web site:
>
> http://www.sec.state.ma.us/mhc/mhcrevcom/revcomidx.htm
>
>
> Keep in mind that the trigger for MHC review is not listing on the
> National Register, but the involvement of state or federal licensing,
> permitting or funding for the project.
>
> Michael Steinitz
> Director
> Preservation Planning Division
> Massachusetts Historical Commission
> 220 Morrissey Boulevard
> Boston, MA 02144
> 617-727-8470
> 617-727-5128 (fax)
> michael.steinitz at state.ma.us
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> slater at alum.rpi.edu
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> Subject: [MassHistPres] MACRIS listings
>
> The state maintains a list of "historic assets" in its MACRIS database,
> viewable online:
>
> http://mhc-macris.net/
>
> Does inclusion in this register carry any weight with respect to public
> monies being used to demolish buildings?
>
> For example, if a property is listed on the National Register, the local
> historical commission gives an opinion as to whether any alteration done
> with federal dollars will adversely affect the property, and if it does,
> the project can be stopped at a higher level since the state and federal
> authorities respect the opinion of local historical commissions.
>
> In Springfield, the last surviving brick schoolhouse may be selected as
> a site for a new fire station. I don't think anyone knew that the
> property was historic when it was included in the selection process, and
> the site *is* attractive for a fire station. Unfortunately the building
> is not in a local historic district nor is it on the National Register.
> It does, however, exist in MACRIS, so it was surveyed at some point.
>
> I'm trying to find a quiver for my belt in case city officials don't
> immediately recognize that this last surviving schoolhouse shouldn't be
> torn down.
>
> Ralph Slate
> Springfield Historical Commission
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> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:13:48 -0700
> From: <slater at alum.rpi.edu>
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>>Keep in mind that the trigger for MHC review is not listing on the
>>National Register, but the involvement of state or federal licensing,
>>permitting or funding for the project.
>
> Thanks, this is valuable information. I never fully understood the
> criteria, shame on me.
>
> Off the top of your head, do you think that there would be any state
> licensing, permitting involved with the location of a new fire station?
> I didn't see anything close on the "Examples of State Agencies & Actions
> Typically Subject to MHC Review under 950 CMR 71" page.
>
> I know that cities can often shift their monies around so that they use
> "local" money for a project, and no federal or state money, so that
> trigger may not come into effect. Seems like a shell game to me though.
>
> Ralph
>
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> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:47:24 -0400
> From: "Chris Skelly" <Skelly-MHC at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Demolition by Neglect Examples
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> I have copies of the demolition by neglect bylaw/ordinances from Lowell,
> Nantucket and Newton.  I don't think there are any others in MA yet.  If
> you don't have them already, I can get them to you.  Chris.
>
> Christopher C. Skelly
> Director of Local Government Programs
> Massachusetts Historical Commission
>
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> [mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Kate Newhall
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:16 PM
> To: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Subject: [MassHistPres] Demolition by Neglect Examples
>
> Hello,
>
> I would greatly appreciate examples of Demolition by Neglect
> by-laws/ordinances that have been already incorporated into town/city
> regulations or are in draft form.
>
> Thank you for your help,
>
> Kate Newhall
> Associate Planner
> City of Beverly
> (p) 978-921-6000 x2346
> (f) 978-921-6187
>
>
>
> www.beverlyma.gov
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