[MassHistPres] MassHistPres Digest, Vol 22, Issue 11
Walter Cudnohufsky
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Wed Dec 12 17:23:08 EST 2007
Pelham's Old Meeting House, built in 1743, is the oldest town hall in ... of
Massachusetts and Johnson Chapel at Amherst College are faced in Pelham
stone. ...
Map of 351 Amherst Rd, Pelham, MA 01002
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1. Old Town Halls (Alan H. McArdle)
2. Re: Old Town Halls (Streb, David)
3. Re: Old Town Halls (French, Jim (DCR))
4. Re: Stiletto Heel marks on historic wood floor (Tucker, Jonathan)
5. Re: Old Town Halls (SCeccacci at aol.com)
6. Re: Old Town Halls (Tucker, Jonathan)
7. Re: Old Town Halls (Alan H. McArdle)
8. Re: Old Town Halls (Sarah Zimmerman)
9. Adaptive Reuse of Town-Owned Historic Buildings (Diane Gilbert)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:06:10 -0500
From: "Alan H. McArdle" <ahmcardle at gmail.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
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The town of Whately is beginning the planning to raise money to restore our
old Town Hall. It was built in 1844 and has been in continuous use since
then. One of our Selectmen was wondering where we might stand in the oldest
continuously used town hall rankings. We're sure there must be older ones
but we suspect we might be pretty high on the list.
Does anyone know where we might find information on construction dates of
town halls in our state? Is there such a thing as a list ordered by
construction date? I'd rather not search the web sites of all 351 cities and
towns.
Thanks,
Alan McArdle, Chair
Whately Historic Commission
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:13:27 -0500
From: "Streb, David" <DStreb at ci.fitchburg.ma.us>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
To: "'Alan H. McArdle'" <ahmcardle at gmail.com>,
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Fitchburg's was built in 1853. Now I'm wondering where we stand!
dstreb at ci.fitchburg.ma.us - David J. Streb, Planning Coordinator
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Subject: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
The town of Whately is beginning the planning to raise money to restore our
old Town Hall. It was built in 1844 and has been in continuous use since
then. One of our Selectmen was wondering where we might stand in the oldest
continuously used town hall rankings. We're sure there must be older ones
but we suspect we might be pretty high on the list.
Does anyone know where we might find information on construction dates of
town halls in our state? Is there such a thing as a list ordered by
construction date? I'd rather not search the web sites of all 351 cities and
towns.
Thanks,
Alan McArdle, Chair
Whately Historic Commission
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:24:13 -0500
From: "French, Jim (DCR)" <Jim.French at state.ma.us>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
To: "Streb, David" <DStreb at ci.fitchburg.ma.us>, "Alan H. McArdle"
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Sterling: 1835!
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Fitchburg's was built in 1853. Now I'm wondering where we stand!
dstreb at ci.fitchburg.ma.us - David J. Streb, Planning Coordinator
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[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Alan H. McArdle
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Subject: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
The town of Whately is beginning the planning to raise money to restore
our
old Town Hall. It was built in 1844 and has been in continuous use since
then. One of our Selectmen was wondering where we might stand in the
oldest
continuously used town hall rankings. We're sure there must be older
ones
but we suspect we might be pretty high on the list.
Does anyone know where we might find information on construction dates
of
town halls in our state? Is there such a thing as a list ordered by
construction date? I'd rather not search the web sites of all 351 cities
and
towns.
Thanks,
Alan McArdle, Chair
Whately Historic Commission
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:36:53 -0500
From: "Tucker, Jonathan" <TuckerJ at amherstma.gov>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Stiletto Heel marks on historic wood floor
To: "Matt Ottinger" <Matt at bostonhistory.org>,
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Sometimes selective steaming can "undent" wooden surfaces, but truly old
white pine or fir floor boards are always going to be vulnerable to
impact/pressure damage.
For the future, you might consider using a much harder (and thicker)
floor finish, adding floor coverings, and/or being prepared to deny
access to people wearing damaging footwear and following through on all
of the steps that accompany such a prohibition:
1) Placing announcement of the prohibition in every ad for upcoming
events,
2) Installing signs prominently declaring the prohibition and its
enforcement policy at all entrances, and
3) Posting employees/volunteers at all entrances during all events to
identify and offer anybody wearing sufficiently narrow, stiletto-like
heels or shoes/boots with metal (cleats, plates, etc.) on their soles
the option of: a) removing their footwear and instead donning the cheap,
embarrassing slippers or clogs you have provided as a non-damaging
alternative, or b) being denied entry.
Sure sounds like a whole lot of fun to me.
Good luck,
Jonathan Tucker
Planning Director
Town Hall, 4 Boltwood Ave.
Amherst, MA 01002
(413) 259-3040
(413) 259-2410 [fax]
tuckerj at amherstma.gov
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Subject: [MassHistPres] Stiletto Heel marks on historic wood floor
Hello everyone,
I work at a historic building and we, like so many other places, rent
our space for events (weddings, receptions, lectures, etc.). After an
event last weekend we found the historic wood floor
covered in marks from stiletto heels. The divots range from minor to
fairly deep in the wood. An suggestions as to what we can/should do?
Matthew Ottinger
Facilities Manager
The Bostonian Society
Old State House Museum
206 Washington Street
Boston, MA 02109
Phone: 617.720.1713 x19
Email: matt at bostonhistory.org
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:45:45 EST
From: SCeccacci at aol.com
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
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Check out the Massachusetts Historical Commission's MACRIS list at:
_http://mhc-macris.net/VMWeb.asp?Page=towns.asp_
(http://mhc-macris.net/VMWeb.asp?Page=towns.asp)
enter "all towns", "buildings", and "town halls" and you will get a listing
of Massachusetts town halls that have been included on historic surveys.
Susan McDaniel Ceccacci
Historic Preservation Consultant
Jefferson, MA
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:05:56 -0500
From: "Tucker, Jonathan" <TuckerJ at amherstma.gov>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
To: "Alan H. McArdle" <ahmcardle at gmail.com>, <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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Pelham's Old Meeting House is still used and dates from 1743.
Jonathan Tucker
Planning Director
Town Hall, 4 Boltwood Ave.
Amherst, MA 01002
(413) 259-3040
(413) 259-2410 [fax]
tuckerj at amherstma.gov
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[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Alan H. McArdle
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:06 PM
To: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Subject: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
The town of Whately is beginning the planning to raise money to restore
our
old Town Hall. It was built in 1844 and has been in continuous use since
then. One of our Selectmen was wondering where we might stand in the
oldest
continuously used town hall rankings. We're sure there must be older
ones
but we suspect we might be pretty high on the list.
Does anyone know where we might find information on construction dates
of
town halls in our state? Is there such a thing as a list ordered by
construction date? I'd rather not search the web sites of all 351 cities
and
towns.
Thanks,
Alan McArdle, Chair
Whately Historic Commission
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:51:52 -0500
From: "Alan H. McArdle" <ahmcardle at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
To: "'Tucker, Jonathan'" <TuckerJ at amherstma.gov>,
<masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. The MACRIS link worked very
nicely. I had thought of that but hadn't got to the point of figuring out
the query.
It looks like the 1830's and 1840's saw a big boom in building things
labeled town halls. Whately seems to have built its town hall about midway
through the period. It looks like there are about 40 or 45 towns with older
buildings than ours but most are at only about 10 years older. Pelham looks
like it has the oldest.
Alan McArdle, Chair
Whately Historic Commission
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tucker, Jonathan [mailto:TuckerJ at amherstma.gov]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:06 PM
> To: Alan H. McArdle; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Subject: RE: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
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> Pelham's Old Meeting House is still used and dates from 1743.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:05:02 -0500
From: "Sarah Zimmerman" <szimmerman at historicnewengland.org>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
To: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu, "McArdle, Alan H." <ahmcardle at gmail.com>,
"'Tucker, Jonathan'" <TuckerJ at amherstma.gov>
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Just fyi, when the Congregational church was officially disestablished
in Massachusetts in 1833, lots of towns whose town meetings had taken
place in the meeting house required new public spaces in which
governmental functions could take place. I think this is one reason for
a rash of town halls, or houses, being built in the 1830s and 1840s.
Sally Zimmerman
Historic New England
>>> "Alan H. McArdle" <ahmcardle at gmail.com> 12/12/2007 3:51 pm >>>
Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. The MACRIS link worked
very
nicely. I had thought of that but hadn't got to the point of figuring
out
the query.
It looks like the 1830's and 1840's saw a big boom in building things
labeled town halls. Whately seems to have built its town hall about
midway
through the period. It looks like there are about 40 or 45 towns with
older
buildings than ours but most are at only about 10 years older. Pelham
looks
like it has the oldest.
Alan McArdle, Chair
Whately Historic Commission
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tucker, Jonathan [mailto:TuckerJ at amherstma.gov]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:06 PM
> To: Alan H. McArdle; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Subject: RE: [MassHistPres] Old Town Halls
>
> Pelham's Old Meeting House is still used and dates from 1743.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:17:53 -0500
From: Diane Gilbert <d.m.gilbert at comcast.net>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Adaptive Reuse of Town-Owned Historic
Buildings
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The Town of Dartmouth is at an important juncture in determining the future
viability of one of our historic buildings, formerly a school house and
until recently, a library branch. This ca 1871 building is located in a 40C
district, Russells Mills Village. The library trustees voted to transfer
this property back to the town since they determined that it was no longer
viable or affordable to support this branch and maintain the building.
Unfortunately, a story all too familiar to all of us. The Select Board has
formed a committee to look at potential uses for this significant building.
With a variety of options on the table, there is an understandable
reluctance to simply putting this property on the market, selling it to the
highest bidder who may not share our views that the highest and best use of
this property is to retain the special character of this building, inside
and out. By virtue of the lot size, Title V considerations, nearby
wetlands, and the 40C district, there are certain limitations for its future
use. Since this property is owned by the town and in a 40C district, we can
derive some comfort that the building is not endangered unless we really
screw things up, to be candid. The Russells Mills Village community and
many others in town expect town officials to do the right thing by this
building.
My questions is this: Assuming that others have faced this situation, did
you follow a process that involved an RFP [according to 30B and AG
guidelines, of course] that included preservation and conservation criteria
as well as clear requirements that would honor and respect the historic
integrity of the property in perpetuity?
Thanks in advance for your ideas and words of wisdom. Feel free me to email
me directly as well should you have documents to share as attachments.
Best Regards,
Diane M. Gilbert
Dartmouth Selectwoman
&
President, Dartmouth Heritage Preservation Trust
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