[MassHistPres] our town hall

[Nancy Dole]

And Mr. Bourdon's comment below is exactly what is bothering us. What do we 
say to the next applicant who wishes to replace their windows with aluminum 
clad, replace wood with AZEK, and remove their granite foundation?

The town cannot really claim hardship here, so it raises that issue 
immediately.

Nancy Dole


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From: "Bourdon, Paul" <Paul.Bourdon at gtc-bio.com>
To: <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>; <Winwilb at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] our town hall


>I would like to respond to Mr. Wilbur's comments by saying, how can we 
>expect individuals to bear the cost of preserving the architectural past if 
>municipalities (where the cost is born by many) won't?
>
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>> From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu on behalf of Winwilb at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 8:39 PM
>> To: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
>> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] our town hall
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>> Some thoughts on the many aspects of this issue from my son, a builder 
>> who
>> specializes in the renovation/restoration- and who believes in 
>> preservation,
>> but  raises some interesting related issues.
>> Win Wilbur
>>
>>
>> "This sounds like a continuance of our past conversation on this issue. I
>> think that Mr Hadley, as a preservationist, has his own ax to grind here.
>> Maintaining a base of  "knowledgeable woodworkers and painters as  part 
>> of the
>> preservation strategy for wood buildings" is certainly important,  and 
>> I'm not
>> trying to sound like a Republican, but on whose shoulders should  this 
>> fall?  The
>> taxpayers of MV? Additionally,  I'm no expert on the  foundation issue, 
>> but
>> have to wonder if this is to efficiently create additional  space at 
>> lower
>> additional cost or even perhaps to help make the building ADA  compliant?
>>
>>
>> It's NOT true that Azek needs to be painted, although it only comes in
>> white. (Mr Hadley should check their website _http://www.azek.com_
>> (http://www.azek.com/) ) but it does tend to  take paint better than 
>> new-growth wood, it comes
>> in longer lengths and thus  requires fewer joints, and can even be welded 
>> on
>> the joints, so that it needs no  caulk. It does expand and contract, and 
>> it
>> does so at about the rate that  softwood expands ACROSS THE GRAIN, but in 
>> length
>> as well. Modern architectural  coatings are made to accommodate this, in
>> fact, Sherwin Williams has a product  specifically for cellular PVC.  You 
>> can
>> certainly go down the "it uses  fossil fuels" line of argument, but so 
>> does
>> purchasing, shipping and applying  coatings for years to come.
>>
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>> Yes, there are differences between the look of aluminum clad windows and 
>> the
>> original single glazed ones. But even most professional builders would be
>> hard pressed to tell the difference at 25 ft:  Marvin (and I assume KML, 
>> which
>> is owned by Andersen) makes a 5/8" mullion with a putty glaze profile, 
>> and
>> they make literally dozens of extruded aluminum casing profiles - they'll 
>> even
>> match what you have in an existing building. In my 20+ years in the
>> renovation/restoration building business I've seen exactly one (1) client 
>> who  properly
>> maintains his wood windows and trim.  He lives on the water in  Cape
>> Elizabeth and has his painters inspect, repair, and touch up his house 
>> EVERY spring.
>> I've seen hundreds more who have NOT maintained their wood windows  and 
>> trim
>> and face very expensive repairs.
>>
>>
>> For me it boils down to a compromise, or at least a trading of values: It
>> certainly makes sense to preserve "authentic" historical structures so 
>> that we
>> may learn from them in the future. Where it becomes less clear is where 
>> we
>> have  to accept the "real world" as it is:  This project is an excellent 
>> example:
>>  Is there the public will (in the form of additional tax dollars) to
>> preserve and then maintain an historical structure which must still be 
>> functional
>> and appropriate for a current public use?  Perhaps if Mr Hadley  wants to 
>> be a
>> purist it's better to sell the building to a private party who can  and 
>> will
>> maintain it (require an endowment?!), and then build a new  structure.
>>
>>
>> >From my perspective it boils down to one fundamental issue:  Is the 
>> >civil
>> society willing to pony up the additional funds to:
>> A. Restore the existing structure including windows and exterior 
>> millwork
>> B. Pay a premium on the construction and finishing cost of an  >
>> authentic-all-wood structure
>> C. Maintain the restored structure and the new addition, probably needing
>> paint every two years given the greater porosity of new growth wood and 
>> the
>> lower level of protection provided by modern lead-free and Low-VOC 
>> compliant
>> architectural coatings.  In my experience public buildings are NOT 
>> generally
>> maintained properly, and thus suffer deterioration, as this structure 
>> apparently
>> has.
>> D. Pay the additional amount it will cost to heat/cool a building that 
>> does
>> not have insulated glass? (Or is Mass Hist Pres suggesting wood storms -
>> another  maintenance nightmare)?
>> E. Use the additional resources (i.e. burn the fossil fuel) required to 
>> heat
>> AND to scrape, prime, and paint the structure religiously.
>>
>>
>> Is this the right way for society to spend its finite dollars?  Or  ought 
>> we
>> be educating kids better, maybe taking them on a field trip to see the
>> preserved houses in town so they gain a sense of history and value what 
>> HAS been
>> saved.
>>
>>
>> WOW, this has turned into a rant, but it is an issue I think about every
>> day. I totally believe in preservation (I grew up in Concord, I was a 
>> history
>> major, I work on old buildings) but we as a society have to maintain a 
>> balance.
>> Sort of like Cape Winds or the proposed wind farms on Maine's wilderness
>> trails  - which way do we go there?
>>
>>
>> Food for thought... Michael
>>
>>
>> Michael Wilbur, Willow Ledge Builders
>>
>> 207.846.6944 office
>> 207.671.3792 cell
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