[MassHistPres] Shutters preservation: MassHistPres Digest, Vol 40, Issue 57

Henry Cooke hcooke4 at verizon.net
Tue Jun 30 13:07:46 EDT 2009 

Ed

For what its worth, when we excavated the c.1782 - c.1830 
privy/outbuilding appurtenant  to Stetson Hall in 2001, we recovered 
a wood staved paint bucket with dried light green paint still in it - 
perhaps we should get that analyzed.Guess whatever killed the bugs on 
vegetation also did the same for other animal life in wood.

Henry Cooke, Chairman
Randolph Historical Commission


At 11:35 AM 6/30/2009, Ed Hood wrote:
>In response to Dennis' querry about the longevity of shutters - yes, 
>they definitely can last 160 years or more if covered with 
>appropriately toxic historic paints for their lifespan.  One of the 
>bright green paints used so commonly on shutters in New England, 
>"Paris Green" is a copper-arsenic compound, that I understand was 
>first developed as an insecticide, and which some clever person 
>managed to re-purpose to pretty paint.  The shutters on the Emmerson 
>and Laura Bixby house from Barre, MA, now restored at Old Sturbridge 
>Village, are original and c. 1840, and were painted with Paris Green 
>from their earliest use.   We also have shutters (now in storage) 
>from the Salem Towne House from Charlton, MA house, probably 
>original to the house's construction in 1796, assembled with wrought 
>nails, that survived in good shape until the house was brought to 
>Old Sturbridge Village in the 1950s.  The hardware was removed from 
>these original shutters and applied to the reproductions made at the 
>time of the restoration (and which are not surviving as well as 
>their older models, lacking the re-applications of the 
>old-time  type paints).  So, like original clapboards that have been 
>covered in leadpaint their entire lives and otherwise reasonably 
>well maintained, early shutters can and do survive in-situ and in 
>many a barn loft.
>     It is also my understanding, but I won't claim authoritative 
> proof of this, that so many of the dark green and black shutters we 
> see today are re-paints of what originally had been bright green 
> paints but which had darkened over time and then became 
> incorrectly, and perhaps incrementally, identified as an 
> appropriate historic color during the later 19th and early 20th centuries.
>
>Ed Hood
>Vice President for Museum Program
>Old Sturbridge Village
>508-347-0300
>
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>>    3. FW:  Old shutters (Wilhelmsen, Jon)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:09:40 -0400
>>From: Carol Seitz <mailto:cbseitz at comcast.net><cbseitz at comcast.net>
>>Subject: [MassHistPres] Old shutters
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>>Hi,
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>>We are replacing the shutters on our house with new wooden ones which
>>were matched to the old ones. The ones that are there are original to
>>the house which was built in 1846. Is there a clearing house for such
>>items or does someone know of someone who could give them a good home?
>>I hate to see them end up in a landfill somewhere.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Carol Seitz
>>Woburn, MA
>>
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:38:25 -0400
>>From: Dennis De Witt <mailto:djdewitt at rcn.com><djdewitt at rcn.com>
>>Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old shutters
>>To: MHC MHC listserve 
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>>If they are re-usable, why replace them them?  If not, are you just
>>wondering is someone would save them as artifacts?
>>
>>There is a place that used to be in Bourne that I understand is now in
>>a mill in New Bedford(?) that deals in old windows and shutters.  (I
>>have bought shutters there.  Still not quite sure what I will do with
>>them!)
>>
>>I wonder if anyone could comment on the likelihood that 160 year old
>>shutters would have survived if continually in use -- or if these are
>>more likely later replacements.
>>
>>Dennis De Witt
>>Brookline
>>
>>
>>On Jun 29, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Carol Seitz wrote:
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>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>We are replacing the shutters on our house with new wooden ones
>>>which were matched to the old ones. The ones that are there are
>>>original to the house which was built in 1846. Is there a clearing
>>>house for such items or does someone know of someone who could give
>>>them a good home? I hate to see them end up in a landfill somewhere.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Carol Seitz
>>>Woburn, MA
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:11:00 -0400
>>From: "Wilhelmsen, Jon" 
>><mailto:Jon.Wilhelmsen at FMR.COM><Jon.Wilhelmsen at FMR.COM>
>>Subject: [MassHistPres] FW:  Old shutters
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>>The place in New Bedford is New England Demolition and Salvage.
>><http://nedsalvage.com/>http://nedsalvage.com/  It is quite a place 
>>- full of treasures.  The
>>new location in New Bedford is a large improvement over it's prior home
>>in Wareham.
>>
>>Jon Wilhelmsen
>>Plympton Historical Commission
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>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis De Witt
>>Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
>>To: MHC MHC listserve
>>Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Old shutters
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>>If they are re-usable, why replace them them?  If not, are you just
>>wondering is someone would save them as artifacts?
>>
>>There is a place that used to be in Bourne that I understand is now in
>>a mill in New Bedford(?) that deals in old windows and shutters.  (I
>>have bought shutters there.  Still not quite sure what I will do with
>>them!)
>>
>>I wonder if anyone could comment on the likelihood that 160 year old
>>shutters would have survived if continually in use -- or if these are
>>more likely later replacements.
>>
>>Dennis De Witt
>>Brookline
>>
>>
>>On Jun 29, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Carol Seitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>We are replacing the shutters on our house with new wooden ones
>>>which were matched to the old ones. The ones that are there are
>>>original to the house which was built in 1846. Is there a clearing
>>>house for such items or does someone know of someone who could give
>>>them a good home? I hate to see them end up in a landfill somewhere.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Carol Seitz
>>>Woburn, MA
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>>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:14:48 -0400
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>>LOCAL PRESERVATION UPDATE E-NEWSLETTER
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>>Published by the Massachusetts Historical Commission
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>>June 29, 2009
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>>This e-newsletter from the Massachusetts Historical Commission
>>Preservation Planning Division has been prepared for local historical
>>commissions, historic district commissions and others interested in
>>historic preservation activities around the Commonwealth of
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>>MUNICIPAL PRESERVATION PLANS
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>>Does your local historical commission struggle with prioritizing tasks
>>and projects?  With so many local demands, it can be challenging knowing
>>where to focus the energy of the local historical commission.  Preparing
>>a municipal preservation plan can help.  A municipal preservation plan
>>can answer many questions regarding historic property survey forms, the
>>national register of historic places and how best to protect the
>>significant historic and cultural resources of your community.
>>Assessing the current status of historic preservation in your community,
>>recognizing issues and opportunities and providing an action plan for
>>achieving goals are all part of a municipal preservation plan.  Some
>>communities have hired a preservation consultant to prepare a detailed
>>preservation plan.  If that isn't an option for your local historical
>>commission, even a scaled down preservation plan prepared by the local
>>historical commission can make a difference.  The important thing is to
>>start planning.  The preservation plan for the town of Sandwich can be
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>>pdf> . If your community has its municipal preservation plan, goals or
>>an action plan on its city or town website, please let me know.
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>>HOME ENERGY EFFICIENCY BROCHURE
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>>This brochure, The Energy Smart Home - A Guide for Improving the
>>Efficiency, Durability, Comfort, Air Quality and Safety of Your Home was
>>prepared by Efficiency Vermont, a statewide energy efficiency utility.
>>In easy to understand language, the brochure includes many useful tips
>>for increasing home energy efficiency.  When it comes to replacement
>>windows, the brochure states that it is "generally not cost effective to
>>replace old windows for energy savings purposes alone, because the high
>>cost of new windows is rarely paid back by energy savings."
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>>NEW LISTINGS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES
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>>Westborough, Boundary Extension to the West Main Street Historic
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>>CALENDAR OF EVENTS AND DATES TO REMEMBER
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>>July 31, 2009
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>>Preservation Massachusetts Most Endangered Nomination Deadline
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>>August 7, 2009
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>>Deadline for Boston Foundation for Architecture Grants
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>>September 17, 2009
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>>MHC Workshop on Demolition Delay Bylaws, Wareham
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