[MassHistPres] MassHistPres Digest: Wooden vs. Composite Window sills

Tue Mar 3 14:12:07 EST 2009

We have had lots of trouble with long tern repairs (more than 2  
years)  on rotting window sills and it may be that have not found the  
right repair technique..   For the few that we have replaced - we have  
chosen Mahogany as replacement wood and they have held up very well (6  
years so far.)

As regards to plastic - we have experimented with the AZTEC product  
and including an accidental painting with latex exterior paint.   It  
has held the paint very well - 3 plus years so far on a corner board.

Good Luck!

Karen Herrick

Reading Historical Commission, Assoc. Member

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On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:55 PM, masshistpres-request at cs.umb.edu wrote:

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> From: Robert Adam <robtadam at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] MassHistPres Digest, Vol 37,	Issue 1
> 	Reading Town Hall Replacement Sills
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> The comments that Jade has suggested are right. Window sills and  
> other components according to the Secretary of the Interior's  
> Standards should be replaced in-kind, not with plastic.?The original  
> material for the window?is likely Eastern White Pine. Unfortunately  
> it?is difficult to find sound heartwood material today that will  
> match. Substitute species such as?Spanish Cedar and South American  
> Mahogany are reasonable choices.
> ?
> But, I would question the wholesale replacement of the entire sill.  
> My experience is that window sills are likely to severely check?or  
> develop pockets of rot around ferrous fasteners?and, generally do  
> not require entire replacement.? Careful insitu repairs using in- 
> kind wood "dutchmen"?and/or possibly epoxy consolidation and prudent  
> filling of checks?along with ?proper painting will continue the  
> useful life of the original at generally far less cost.
> ?
> The ripple effect of replacement can be significant including both  
> additional exterior and interior work.? I suggest?that each window  
> be carefully surveyed to?understand its condition and then develop  
> an appropriate?treatment. ?
> ?
> Robert Adam
> Preservation Services
> Shirley Center, Ma
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> Good afternoon:
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> The Town of North Reading is considering replacing rotten exterior  
> wooden window sills with a composite.? This replacement would be  
> done on an 1875 Second Empire building.? Does anyone have experience  
> using a composite in this way?? How does paint stand up on such a  
> surface or does it require special paint?? I think the argument will  
> be that it is more durable but is it REALLY more durable?
> ?
> Thank you in advance for any thoughts.
> ?
> Happy DiFranza, Chairman
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> personally, i would suggest spanish cedar or pattern grade mahogany  
> for this application...for preservation's sake;??for the dangers  
> inherent in?setting a precedent using a plastic product where the  
> above wood species have proven themselves over hundreds of  
> years...regardless of what?manufacturers/marketers claim, vinyl and  
> composites do require maintenance and are of inferior quality to  
> wood that is properly maintained...
> ?
> i understand why people want to go in the direction of composite  
> use--it is marketed as easier to install and maintain and the claim  
> is that it looks like the real thing...ask a firefighter if he/she  
> would rather enter a burning wood structure or one with vinyl/ 
> composites...
> ?
> what are the dimensions of the sills?? i can't imagine a 4" x 6" (or  
> there-abouts) piece of composite would remain stable during extreme  
> temperature changes and i know it won't stand up to uv over the long  
> haul...
> ?
> geez, do you think i have a bias???
> ?
> jade mortimer
> heartwood building & restoration
> hawley, ma
> 413.339.4298
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> Good afternoon:
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> The Town of North Reading is considering replacing rotten exterior  
> wooden window sills with a composite.? This replacement would be  
> done on an 1875 Second Empire building.? Does anyone have experience  
> using a composite in this way?? How does paint stand up on such a  
> surface or does it require special paint?? I think the argument will  
> be that it is more durable but is it REALLY more durable?
> ?
> Thank you in advance for any thoughts.
> ?
> Happy DiFranza, Chairman
> North Reading Historic District Commission
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> LOCAL PRESERVATION UPDATE E-NEWSLETTER
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> Published by the Massachusetts Historical Commission
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> March 3, 2009
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> This e-newsletter from the Massachusetts Historical Commission
> Preservation Planning Division has been prepared for local historical
> commissions, historic district commissions and others interested in
> historic preservation activities around the Commonwealth of
> Massachusetts.  It is published roughly every other week.  If you have
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> NEWS AT THE MASSACHUSETTS HISTORICAL COMMISSION
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> PRESERVATION THROUGH BYLAWS AND ORDINANCES
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> A guidebook from the Massachusetts Historical Commission is  
> undergoing a
> major update.  Preservation through Bylaws and Ordinances describes  
> the
> various bylaws and ordinances used by cities and towns of  
> Massachusetts
> for preservation purposes.  For each bylaw, the guidebook describes  
> how
> the bylaw works, how it is adopted and how it has worked in practice
> around the state.  In 2008, with assistance from a consultant team,
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> CAPEWIDE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WORKSHOP
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> April 2, 2009,  from 11 am to 3 pm at the Harwich Community Center.   
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> presentations include Eric Dray, preservation planning consultant, and
> Claudia Wu, from Preservation Massachusetts, speaking on Generating  
> Good
> CPA Projects.  Peter McMahon, from PM Design, will speak on Protecting
> Modernist Buildings on Cape Cod.  Katherine Beauchamp,  from the
> Association for the Preservation of Cape Cod, will speak on their
> inventory of agricultural lands.  Chris Skelly, from the Massachusetts
> Historical Commission, and Rebecca Williams, from the National Trust  
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> Historic Preservation, will make a presentation on Preventing  
> Demolition
> of Historic Structures.  Lunch will be provided.  For more  
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> HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON THE WEB
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> CALENDAR OF EVENTS AND DATES TO REMEMBER
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> March 5, 2009
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> MHC Workshop on Demolition Delay Bylaws, Greenfield, Franklin Regional
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> March 12-14, 2009
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> Traditional Building Exhibition and Conference, Boston
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> April 2, 2009
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> Capewide Historic Preservation Workshop, Cape Cod Commission
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> May 7, 2009
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> MHC Workshop on Establishing Local Historic Districts, Greenfield,
> Franklin Regional Council of Governments
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> For more information, email Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us
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> May 21, 2009
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> MHC Workshop on Introduction to Historic Preservation Planning,
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