No subject
Tue Oct 27 07:32:57 EDT 2009
building, of the names of owners and one or more photos. Apparently there=
is=20
nothing about the buildings: dates, materials, style, etc.
If my understanding of this is correct, I would ask, what is the purpose=
=20
of putting this online? How do you imagine someone would use the=20
information? What research value does it have?
Unless you have compelling reasons to put it online (i.e., the informatio=
n=20
can answer certain questions and you can envision how people would benefi=
t=20
from having it), why annoy or alienate people by doing it? But if there=
=E2=80=99s=20
a good reason, you should be able to make a case to the doubters and win=
=20
them over.
The fact that protecting one=E2=80=99s privacy these days is difficult is=
no=20
reason to abet the process.
=20
Sara Wermiel
Historic Preservation Consultant
Jamaica Plain, MA
=20
=20
=20
From: _masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu_=20
(mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu) [mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.=
umb.edu] On Behalf Of Joyce Anderson
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:27 AM
To: _masshistpres at cs.umb.edu_ (mailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu)=20
Cc: Alex Fiandaca; Lindberg, Matt; 'Lee, Joe'; Sheila Dubman
Subject: [MassHistPres] Princeton, MA
=20
The Princeton Historical Commission has in its possession a collection of=
=20
index cards with each card listing the former owners of the houses. This=
=20
has been known historically as =E2=80=98The Princeton House File=E2=80=99=
. The collection=20
of approximately 300 index cards were compiled by two former members who=
=20
were assessors for the Town of Princeton in the 1950=E2=80=99s. Most of=
the cards=20
have been kept up to date with the current owners names on them. One memb=
er=20
of our commission has transcribed the cards into a word document while=20
another member has inserted current (2006) photographs of the houses, as=
well as=20
historic photographs to correspond with the information. We would like to=
=20
put this information on the PHC webpage for the town, however there has=
=20
been concern from others in town that this should not be allowed because=
of=20
the potential for robberies and the invasion of privacy. I would like=
to=20
know if anyone on our mailing list has any comments or suggestions.
Thank you in advance.
Joyce Anderson
Princeton Historical Commission
******************************
For administrative questions regarding this list, please contact=20
_Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us_ (mailto:Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us)=
directly. =20
PLEASE DO NOT "REPLY" TO THE WHOLE LIST.
MassHistPres mailing list
_MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu_ (mailto:MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu)=20
_http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres_=20
(http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres)=20
********************************
=3D
******************************
For administrative questions regarding this list, please contact =20
Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us directly. PLEASE DO NOT "REPLY" TO THE WH=
OLE LIST.
MassHistPres mailing list
MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu
http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres
********************************
--part1_5c98.1e40dc48.3ac2883d_boundary
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Language: en
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML XMLNS:O><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.7600.16722"></HEAD>
<BODY style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" id=3Dr=
ole_body bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7><=
FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<DIV>The Westport Historical Commission Inventory does not include present=
=20
owners in its data online, but it is very simple to go to the GIS survey=
and=20
find out once you know the address.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Betty Slade</DIV>
<DIV>Westport</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 3/28/2011 8:44:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
estsure at comcast.net writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MAR=
GIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#=
000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>I might=20
add to my earlier suggestions about putting house histories on-line that=
I=20
find the MHC forms a nuisance when they require the name of the current=
=20
owners. The people named as owners when the Brewster historic hous=
e=20
survey was done some 20 or 30 years ago are mostly long gone by now.=20
That info is so short-lived, these days, I see no good reason to=
include=20
contemporary (modern) owner identification on more or less permanent=20
historical studies--unless, perhaps, that owner was able to contribute=
=20
something substantial to the actual history. =20
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=3DApple-tab-span></SPAN>Elle=
n St.=20
Sure </DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Fred Merriam wrote:</DIV><BR class=
=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;=
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir=3Dltr>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"=
>
<DIV>The Chelmsford Historical Commission wrestled with the issues tha=
t=20
Richard Casella discussed below back in 2003, but settled on a web=20
presentation approach similar to what Ellen St. Sure proposed. We post=
ed all=20
the State Inventory material that would be of interest to the public,=
=20
especially the age and Historical Significance information, plus deed=
=20
records going back to the beginning, relevant news paper articles, bac=
kup=20
research and old and new photos. We did not make any effort to purge=
current=20
ownership information if there were no changes since the inventory was=
=20
completed, but removed any information related to recent valuations an=
d any=20
photos other than street views for security. We were prepared to remov=
e any=20
material on receipt of a complaint, but there have been zero complaint=
s=20
since going on-line in 2003. We have received positive feedback from=
owners=20
who take pride in and appreciate knowing the history of their own home=
and=20
other assets in the town such as monuments and public buildings. Sever=
al=20
real estate professionals also mentioned that the information was help=
ful in=20
making a sale of an inventoried property. You can find the site easily=
with=20
a Google search if you want to check it out.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fred Merriam</DIV>
<DIV>Chelmsford Historical Commission (and site webmaster)</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY:=
'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DE=
CORATION: none"></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dmailto:=
estsure at comcast.net href=3D"mailto:estsure at comcast.net">Ellen St.=20
Sure</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dmailto:rcasella at historicdoc.com href=
=3D"mailto:rcasella at historicdoc.com">Richard Casella</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dmailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu href=
=3D"mailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu">masshistpres at cs.umb.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MassHistPres] Princeton, MA</DIV></DIV></DIV=
>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY:=
'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DE=
CORATION: none">Why=20
not just post for the public the street address, photos old and ne, an=
d=20
whatever information (always interesting if well researched and well=
=20
written) that you have on the original owners/builders/occupants and=
perhaps=20
a few subsequent (early) owners/occupants, but omit current and recent=
=20
ownership altogether? Would anybody object to A House With a His=
tory,=20
if properly explained? Surely the current owners would enjoy kno=
wing=20
more about their houses, and a documented history could actually incre=
ase=20
the value of the property, if they should ever want to sell. =20
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ellen St. Sure</DIV>
<DIV>Brewster Historical Commission</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Richard Casella wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN style=3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANS=
FORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium time=
s; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; WORD-SPACING:=
0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spac=
ing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class=3DApple-style-span=
>
<DIV lang=3DEN-US vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D068074014-27032011><FONT=
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ms. Wermiel's important poi=
nts bring two caveats to this=20
discussion: "For every action there is a reaction" and "Just because=
=20
something can be done does not mean it should be done." As a=
=20
consultant who conducts field surveys (and a former member of a Hist=
oric=20
District Commission), I can attest to the fact that a significant an=
d=20
vocal segment of the population continues to question how much histo=
ric=20
preservation regulation we need. Bad feelings toward preservation=20
activities can spread harder and faster than the good ones. Whether=
=20
Princeton HC might somehow be subject to a lawsuit - baseless or not=
- is=20
beside the point; if someone is sufficiently "annoyed or alienated"=
they=20
will speak out and letters and editorials will follow. Since the ide=
a is=20
already meeting resistance, perhaps a reasonable compromise for now=
might=20
be a news post on the PHC website stating that the information has=
been=20
compiled and will be made available to researchers who submit a writ=
ten=20
request with their name, address and purpose. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D068074014-27032011><FONT=
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D068074014-27032011><FONT=
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Richard Casella</FONT></SPA=
N></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D068074014-27032011><FONT=
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Portsmouth, RI</FONT></SPAN=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT><BR> </=
DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader align=3Dlef=
t>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>From:</B><SPAN class=3DApple=
-converted-space> </SPAN><A style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORA=
TION: underline" title=3Dmailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu =
href=3D"mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu">masshistpres-bounc=
es at cs.umb.edu</A><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN>=
[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu]<SPAN class=3DApple-conver=
ted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN class=3DApple-converte=
d-space> </SPAN></B>SARA=20
WERMIEL<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space>&=
nbsp;</SPAN>Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:42=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN><A=
style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" title=
=3Dmailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu href=3D"mailto:masshistpres at cs.u=
mb.edu">masshistpres at cs.umb.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=
=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [MassHistPres] Princeton,=20
MA<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"page: wordsection1" class=3DWordSection1>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">From what you write, it=20
seems that the information consists, for each building, of the names=
of=20
owners and one or more photos. Apparently there is nothing about the=
=20
buildings: dates, materials, style, etc.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">If my understanding of this=20
is correct, I would ask, what is the purpose of putting this online?=
How=20
do you imagine someone would use the information? What research valu=
e does=20
it have?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">Unless you have compelling=20
reasons to put it online (i.e., the information can answer certain=
=20
questions and you can envision how people would benefit from having=
it),=20
why annoy or alienate people by doing it? But if there=E2=80=99s a=
good reason,=20
you should be able to make a case to the doubters and win them=20
over.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">The fact that protecting=20
one=E2=80=99s privacy these days is difficult is no reason to abet=
the=20
process.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">Sara=20
Wermiel<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">Historic Preservation=20
Consultant<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">Jamaica Plain,=20
MA<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: mediu=
m none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER=
-TOP: rgb(181,196,223) 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:=
3pt">
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,=
sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-=
FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN class=3DApple-c=
onverted-space> </SPAN><A style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATI=
ON: underline" title=3Dmailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu =
href=3D"mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu">masshistpres-bounces=
@cs.umb.edu</A><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN>[m=
ailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu]<SPAN class=3DApple-converte=
d-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN class=3DApple-converted-=
space> </SPAN></B>Joyce=20
Anderson<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space>=
</SPAN>Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:27=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN><A=
style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" title=
=3Dmailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu href=3D"mailto:masshistpres at cs.u=
mb.edu">masshistpres at cs.umb.edu</A><BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN class=3DApp=
le-converted-space> </SPAN>Alex Fiandaca; Lindberg, Matt;=20
'Lee, Joe'; Sheila Dubman<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=3DAp=
ple-converted-space> </SPAN>[MassHistPres] Princeton,=20
MA<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The=20
Princeton Historical Commission has in its possession a collection=
of=20
index cards with each card listing the former owners of the houses.&=
nbsp;=20
This has been known historically as =E2=80=98The Princeton Hou=
se File=E2=80=99. The=20
collection of approximately 300 index cards were compiled by two for=
mer=20
members who were assessors for the Town of Princeton in the 1950=E2=
=80=99s. Most=20
of the cards have been kept up to date with the current owners names=
on=20
them. One member of our commission has transcribed the cards into a=
word=20
document while another member has inserted current (2006) photograph=
s of=20
the houses, as well as historic photographs to correspond with the=
=20
information. We would like to put this information on the PHC webpag=
e for=20
the town, however there has been concern from others in town that th=
is=20
should not be allowed because of the potential for robberies=
and the=20
invasion of privacy. I would like to know if anyone on our mai=
ling=20
list has any comments or suggestions.<O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thank=20
you in advance.<O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Joyce=20
Anderson<O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, san=
s-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Princeton=20
Historical=20
Commission<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>******************************<BR>F=
or=20
administrative questions regarding this list, please contact<SPAN =
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN><A style=3D"COL=
OR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" title=3Dmailto:Christopher.S=
kelly at state.ma.us href=3D"mailto:Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us">C=
hristopher.Skelly at state.ma.us</A><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-spa=
ce> </SPAN>directly. PLEASE DO NOT=20
"REPLY" TO THE WHOLE LIST.<BR>MassHistPres mailing list<BR><A =
style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" title=3Dmail=
to:MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu href=3D"mailto:MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu"=
>MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu</A><BR><A style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECO=
RATION: underline" title=3Dhttp://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listi=
nfo/masshistpres href=3D"http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinf=
o/masshistpres">http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres</A=
><BR>********************************<BR></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DI=
V><BR></DIV>=3D<BR><BR>******************************<BR>For=20
administrative questions regarding this list, please contact=20
Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us directly. PLEASE DO NOT "REPLY" TO=
THE=20
WHOLE LIST.<BR>MassHistPres mailing=20
list<BR>MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu<BR>http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/lis=
tinfo/masshistpres<BR>********************************<BR></FONT></BLOCKQU=
OTE></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
--part1_5c98.1e40dc48.3ac2883d_boundary--
More information about the MassHistPres
mailing list