[MassHistPres] Nantucket Sound Wind Farm
Sam Bird
greenbird-architect at comcast.net
Wed Apr 28 23:01:40 EDT 2010
To Jon Wilhelmsen's post I say - well said.
It will come as no surprise to those who have seen my posts here that
I applaud Sec. Salazar's decision. That said, I think the CW
opponents need to realize the effort to literally stop this project
is over. Now is the time for those folks who have put countless hours
into well intentioned efforts to stop the project to realize
continuing to work to simply block the project is counter-productive
and that the effort should change to using their vast knowledge of
this project and its impacts toward making this the best offshore
wind project possible. The project will go forward and will involve
tradeoffs yet to be resolved. Those opponents can accept that and
have their valid and rational concerns heard and heeded or they can
continue to gin up more hyperbole and law suits and be marginalized.
Their choice.
I agree that this is not the forum for general discussion of CW as a
political issue however the ACHP did weigh in. I still believe we, as
preservationists do ourselves a disservice when we allow "historic
preservation" to be allowed to be used as a club to beat up a project
that is objected to for other reasons. Hopefully we can avoid this in
the future or those who refer to us as "hysterical preservationists"
will have all the more credibility.
Sam Bird AIA, LEED AP
Concord, MA
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Jon Wilhelmsen wrote:
> Good evening all,
>
> After following this issue for a number of years and reviewing the
> posts here, I do not believe it is not possible to remove the
> politics from this particular issue.
>
> This is not a clear cut preservation issue - say like replacement
> windows or demolition of historic buildings which I believe this
> forum has expressed distinct and clear positions. There are
> environmentalists and preservationists lined up on both sides of
> the project and various facts and studies are used to support both
> sides, and there is clearly significant disagreement on how they
> are interpreted. I believe the previous series of well written
> posts on this issue highlighted the concerns of a number of members
> regarding the ACHP findings - whether the preservation concerns
> here ware pure or perhaps were influenced by politics or at least
> were not thought through to their logical conclusion. The logic
> articulated suggests it would be nearly impossible to live with
> modern conveniences such as utility poles in and around historic
> districts - don't get me wrong - I would love to see them all done
> away with in favor of underground lines, but realistically, that is
> not possible.
>
> The purpose of this forum is to exchange ideas and provide
> information regarding historic preservation in the state and
> beyond. I think we need to be careful not to let the politics
> creep in. I do understand how strong folks feel about this issue
> and applaud the passion that people advocate for their position and
> the amount of research they have done to arrive at it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Wilhelmsen, Chair
> Plympton Historical Commission
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Carol wrote:
>
> Jim and all:
>
> I just don't see it that way, Jim. I hate politics, but know it's
> part of it of course. But basically I see it as both preservation
> of history AND the love of what we view today and hopefully
> tomorrow, and will leave for generations to enjoy. A clear view of
> our oceans is emotional and heart warming, and loving the fishing
> and ferry boats is part of the Cape experience. I don't want it
> all ruined by a hundred sky scraper height pieces of metal whirling
> around night and day in our lovely ocean waters. I may not live at
> the Cape, but I cross the big bridge often, and a sense of piece
> enters me when I do. I hope never to see one of those ugly, scary,
> worthless pieces of metal sticking out of our sea. Pity our ocean
> life even more.
>
> Carol M Carlson
> Bedford, MA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james hadley" <jameswhadley at hotmail.com>
> To: bjdurk at aol.com, tuckerj at amherstma.gov, "veronica mcclure"
> <veronica_mcclure at harvard.edu>,jworden at swwalaw.com,
> masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Cc: "roberta lane" <roberta_lane at nthp.org>, forum-
> l at lists.nationaltrust.org
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:08:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Nantucket Sound Wind Farm
>
> Please. This is not a ligitimate forum for this topic, and I don't
> want to have to keep cleaning it out of my inbox. Will Mass HisCom
> please say something about this. It is politics, not preservation,
> on both sides.
> Jim Hadley
> Chair, Orleans Historical Commission
>
> From: Bjdurk at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:04:22 -0400
> To: TuckerJ at amherstma.gov; veronica_mcclure at harvard.edu;
> jworden at swwalaw.com; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> CC: roberta_lane at nthp.org; Forum-L at lists.nationaltrust.org
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Nantucket Sound Wind Farm
>
> Coalition of Stakeholder Groups Announce Cape Wind Lawsuits
> Native American Tribes, Commercial Fishermen, Environmental
> Groups, Towns and Others Will File Suit to Bar Industrial Wind
> Project from Nantucket Sound
> Hyannis, MA – A wide ranging coalition of stakeholder groups will
> immediately file suit in response to Secretary Salazar’s ruling to
> approve the Cape Wind project.
> “While the Obama Administration today dealt a blow to all of us who
> care deeply about preserving our most precious natural treasures –
> this fight is not over,” said Audra Parker, president and CEO of
> the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound. “Litigation remains the
> option of last resort. However, when the federal government is
> intent on trampling the rights of Native Americans and the people
> of Cape Cod, we must act. We will not stand by and allow our
> treasured public lands to be marred forever by a corporate giveaway
> to private industrial energy developers.”
> Lawsuits will be filed on behalf of a coalition of environmental
> groups – including the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, Three
> Bays Preservation, Animal Welfare Institute, Industrial Wind Action
> Group, Californians for Renewable Energy, Oceans Public Trust
> Initiative (a project of the International Marine Mammal Project of
> the Earth Land Institute), Lower Laguna Madre Foundation – against
> the federal Fish and Wildlife Service and Minerals Management
> Service for violations of the Endangered Species Act.
> The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, along with the Duke’s
> County/Martha’s Vineyard Fishermen Association, will also file suit
> against the federal Minerals Management Service for violations
> under the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act. The Town of Barnstable
> has filed a notice of intent to file a lawsuit on the same grounds.
> And the Wampanoag tribe is preparing to mount a legal challenge to
> the project for violations of tribal rights. Additional legal
> issues include violation of the National Environmental Policy Act,
> the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, the Rivers and Harbors Act, the
> Clean Water Act, and the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act.
> Secretary Salazar’s decision ignores the recent positions taken
> against the project by the Advisory Council on Historic
> Preservation, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, the
> Massachusetts Historical Commission and the National Park Service,
> which ruled recently that Nantucket Sound was eligible for listing
> on the National Register of Historic Places which, like our
> national parklands, would provide it a higher level of protection
> from industrial development.
> The Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (ACHP) recommended
> that Secretary Salazar deny or relocate the proposed Cape Wind
> project because its effects would be “pervasive, destructive, and,
> in the instance of seabed construction, permanent.” The ACHP called
> on Secretary Salazar to either deny the project or relocate it to a
> nearby alternative such as the compromise location outside of
> Nantucket Sound approximately ten miles south of the proposed site.
> The compromise location, South of Tuckernuck Island, has gained the
> support of every stakeholder involved, including Native American
> tribal leaders, state and federal historic preservation agencies,
> environmental groups, cities and towns, elected officials, airpots,
> ferry lines, chambers of commerce and many others.
> “It is a shame that the Obama Administration chose political
> expediency over developing a project in an environmentally
> responsible place that can actually be built,” said Parker. “The
> compromise location would have avoided years of litigation and
> allowed this project to move forward.”
> Secretary Salazar left unaddressed the growing concerns in
> Massachusetts over the project’s energy costs to ratepayers and its
> overall cost to taxpayers.
> Earlier this month Rhode Island rejected a deal between National
> Grid and an offshore wind project that would have set a rate that
> was nearly triple the current cost for electricity. The electric
> utility tapped to buy power from Cape Wind, National Grid, has
> failed to reach a similar agreement on the cost to ratepayers of
> Cape Wind’s energy.
> Most estimates have put the cost of Cape Wind energy at two to
> three times the current rate for conventional power. This comes on
> top of the $10 billion ISO New England recently announced would be
> necessary to upgrade the region’s electrical grid and transmission
> facilities as a result of Cape Wind and other wind projects.
> Massachusetts Secretary of Energy and Environmental Affairs Ian
> Bowles recently expressed concern over the project’s energy costs
> as did the state’s largest business group, the Associated
> Industries of Massachusetts.
> Consumer anger is also palpable. In a recent survey conducted by
> the University of Massachusetts, a majority of consumers said they
> would not pay more for electricity produced by wind turbines. Much
> of the support for wind energy was based on the false assumption
> that offshore wind will lower electric bills. At the projected Cape
> Wind power rate, nearly 80 percent of respondents registered
> opposition to the project.
>
> In a message dated 4/28/2010 5:35:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> TuckerJ at amherstma.gov writes:
> While there is variation, in most marine environments the addition
> of almost any kind of structure will substantially increase habitat
> for a wide range of organisms. In ecology, this is referred to as
> the “edge effect.”
>
> Studies in of off-shore wind turbines in Denmark seem to support
> the notion that such structures will have this effect:
>
> http://greenenergyreporter.com/2010/01/boosting-offshore-winds-eco-
> image-one-fish-at-a-time/.
>
> Oil rig platforms in the Gulf of Mexico that have outlived their
> usefulness for resource extraction are frequently left in place
> rather than being dismantled, because they produce such useful
> habitat for marine life, including for species that are otherwise
> declining in the area. California is considering the same
> practice. Decommissioned ships and other larger structures (such
> as “tire reefs”—numerous old tires lashed together) have been
> deliberately sunk to serve this purpose for decades.
>
> Combined with new regulations, the wind turbine structures might
> actually protect the sea floor, interrupting the patterns of net
> trawlers. In their effort to gather every last fish they can, net
> trawlers currently scour the sea floor, damaging its ecological
> function, and injuring or destroying any surface archeological
> features that might be present. Their ‘clear-cutting’ approach to
> fishing has resulted in the serious depletion of many species.
> Interrupting this practice could allowed these species the
> opportunity to recover.
>
> So maybe not all change is bad.
>
> Jonathan Tucker
> Planning Director
> Amherst Planning Department
> 4 Boltwood Avenue, Town Hall
> Amherst, MA 01002
> (413) 259-3040
> tuckerj at amherstma.gov
>
>
>
> From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu [mailto:masshistpres-
> bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of McClure, Veronica
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:06 PM
> To: Bjdurk at aol.com; jworden at swwalaw.com; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Cc: roberta_lane at nthp.org; Forum-L at lists.nationaltrust.org
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Nantucket Sound Wind Farm
>
> Do we really know how the underwater construction of these turbines
> will affect the seabed and the creatures in it, the water, and the
> air?
>
> I understand that there are offshore turbines in other locations
> and have heard them used to justify this installation, but seems to
> me that the features of each seabed, the methods of construction
> (will there be blasting?), and the differences in organisms from
> place to place should caution against automatically assuming that
> if it works in one location, it will work in any other.
>
> I’m not an expert in these things, but that doesn’t mean I can’t
> wonder about them.
>
> Veronica McClure
>
>
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