[MassHistPres] MassHistPres Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21
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Fri Jun 24 18:09:52 EDT 2011
With regards to Happy's North Reading's LHD administration question. I as
far as I know only Boston, Newton, and Haverhill have individual
commissions with completely separate memberships managing individual local historic
districts. Arlington has something similar, but with the membership
amongst different commissions is largely the same and meetings are on the same
night, I believe. Like Jane, I would recommend against establishing separate
commissions managing individual districts. You end up with a lot more
work and redundancy for little if any benefit. Its makes sense for Boston
given the size of the districts and number of applications submitted, but it
isn't worthwhile otherwise in my opinion. One HDC should work fine.
Brian Lever
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Curbside mailboxes (Kathryn Sette)
2. Re: LHD administration (Jane Guy)
3. LHD administration (John Worden)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:26:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kathryn Sette <capek7 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Curbside mailboxes
To: Donna Rossio <drossio at firstunitarian.com>
Cc: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu, John Worden <jworden at swwalaw.com>
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They are under USPS jurisdiction...in so far as we are not able to forbid
them, but we can make advice as to style and color of support and color of
box, etc.? The height is designed for the convenience of the delivery
person, etc., but this situation is a bit unique since it appears to be curbside
while the postal delivery is usually to the house on this street....I'd
advise checking with the PO to see what they'd prefer and go with controlling
what you can.
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From: "Donna Rossio" <drossio at firstunitarian.com>
To: "John Worden" <jworden at swwalaw.com>, slater at alum.rpi.edu,
masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:54:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Curbside mailboxes
I believe that all residential mailboxes are under the jurisdiction of the
USPS. http://www.usps.com/receive/mailboxstandards.htm
Donna Rossio
Sutton HC
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[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of John Worden
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:17 AM
To: slater at alum.rpi.edu; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Subject: [MassHistPres] Curbside mailboxes
We don't have any curbside mail boxes that I know of, but, even before we
amended our guidelines to be specific about sign locations, we informed the
local brokers that they were not to put "for sale" signs on the town
property, but only on the owner's property.? We were not challenged on this,
although I will have to admit that the rule was often ignored until someone
contacted the offending broker.
John Worden
Arlington HDC
PS:? I apologize to those who?were inconvenienced by?the excessively large
type in my previous post on LHD administration.? My remote e-mail access
system gives me only micro-type?for replies, so my practice is to compose in
large type (not that large), then shrink it back to micro size, which
appears as normal size on the recipient's computer.? I neglected to take that
last step before hitting "send."
JLW
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----- Original Message -----
From: slater at alum.rpi.edu
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:41 AM
Subject: [MassHistPres] Curbside mailboxes
In Springfield, our postal carriers deliver mail to the door of each
house; there is no need for a mailbox on the curb, something that is more common
in rural areas where the carrier delivers by car. In our historic
districts, I do not believe we have any instances of a curbside mailbox.
A homeowner recently installed a curbside mailbox in one of our districts.
Since mailboxes are not specifically excluded from our control, and since
it fits the definition of a "structure", this is something our HC needs to
review.
The homeowner presumably did this because they have a yard that is 100%
fenced-in (grandfathered). They seem to have a dog in this fenced-in yard, so
presumably they want to keep the postal carrier away from this dog.
However, the mailbox does stick out, since it is the only structure like it in
the district, and we have to review it to act on a neighbor's complaint.
Has anyone addressed issues like this? Is anyone aware of any other
regulations that speak to this? The mailbox has been constructed on city
property, inches away from the curb.
Thanks,
Ralph Slate
Springfield, MA
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:49:26 -0400
From: "Jane Guy" <JGuy at Salem.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] LHD administration
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Salem has 4 local historic districts (about 600 properties), which is
administered by one Commission (which serves as both HC and HDC). We
have 7 members and 2 alternates. I think I would resign if I had to
deal with 4 different boards with potentially 4 different sets of
guidelines. It would be great if, of the 9, we had at least one person
from each of the 4 districts on the Commission, but getting volunteers
can be tough, particularly volunteers that would make good
commissioners.
We have studied the possibility of establishing one or more Neighborhood
Architectural Conservation Areas, which would have separate Commissions
(a combination of some persons that serve on all the NAC Commissions
along with persons residing in those areas who serve for just their own
NAC area).
Jane A. Guy
Assistant Community Development Director
City of Salem
Department of Planning & Community Development
120 Washington St., 3rd Floor
Salem, MA 01970
978-619-5685
(F) 978-740-0404
jguy at salem.com
www.salem.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: DiFranzaDesigns at aol.com
Subject: [MassHistPres] LHD administration
Good morning:
North Reading is in the process of establishing a second historic
district. How do towns with more than one LHD administer these areas?
Are there separate commissions for each district or is their one
commission that administers both areas?
Happy DiFranza, chairman
North Reading Historic District Study Committee
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:03:43 -0400
From: "John Worden" <jworden at swwalaw.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] LHD administration
To: "Jane Guy" <JGuy at Salem.com>, <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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We think the district resident/property owner is important, to provide an
initial contact for people in the district,and to keep an eye on things.
In some of the smaller districts we have had difficulty finding
candidates,
and therefore have a provision in our by-law whereby, if no resident can
be
found, the Selectman may appoint some other historically-oriented person.
John Worden
Arlington HDCs
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From: "Jane Guy" <JGuy at Salem.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] LHD administration
>
> Salem has 4 local historic districts (about 600 properties), which is
> administered by one Commission (which serves as both HC and HDC). We
> have 7 members and 2 alternates. I think I would resign if I had to
> deal with 4 different boards with potentially 4 different sets of
> guidelines. It would be great if, of the 9, we had at least one person
> from each of the 4 districts on the Commission, but getting volunteers
> can be tough, particularly volunteers that would make good
> commissioners.
>
> We have studied the possibility of establishing one or more Neighborhood
> Architectural Conservation Areas, which would have separate Commissions
> (a combination of some persons that serve on all the NAC Commissions
> along with persons residing in those areas who serve for just their own
> NAC area).
>
>
>
> Jane A. Guy
> Assistant Community Development Director
> City of Salem
> Department of Planning & Community Development
> 120 Washington St., 3rd Floor
> Salem, MA 01970
> 978-619-5685
> (F) 978-740-0404
> jguy at salem.com
> www.salem.com
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
> From: DiFranzaDesigns at aol.com
> Subject: [MassHistPres] LHD administration
>
> Good morning:
>
> North Reading is in the process of establishing a second historic
> district. How do towns with more than one LHD administer these areas?
> Are there separate commissions for each district or is their one
> commission that administers both areas?
>
> Happy DiFranza, chairman
> North Reading Historic District Study Committee
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