[MassHistPres] Replacement Windows
Jane Guy
JGuy at Salem.com
Thu May 19 15:19:27 EDT 2011
We first strongly encourage repair of existing windows from businesses
like Window Woman ( http://www.window-woman-ne.com/index.html
<http://www.window-woman-ne.com/index.html> ), Pane in the Glass
(617-562-6925) or Old Town Repair http://www.oldtownrepair.com/... or
replacement in kind (single glaze, true divided light). However, in
some cases we have approved double glazed windows in our districts, but
they must still be wood exterior and there should not be a mix of single
and double glaze visible together (i.e. different condo units with
different windows). The windows we have approved to date are:
* Pella Architect Series Wood Double Hung Window with ILT's,
7/8" muntin, wood exterior
* LePage 7/8" SDL, wood exterior
* J. B. Sash Proper Bostonian (wood exterior)
* Marvin Ultimate Double Hung wood windows (wood exterior) with
7/8" muntins. Exterior muntins to have custom profile to replicate the
putty line.
Where there is a wood choice, it should be cedar. When available, the
spacers between the glass should be bronze.
Jane A. Guy
Assistant Community Development Director
City of Salem
Department of Planning & Community Development
120 Washington St., 3rd Floor
Salem, MA 01970
978-619-5685
(F) 978-740-0404
jguy at salem.com
www.salem.com
Today's Topics:
1. Replacement Windows (Gretchen Schuler)
2. Replacement Windows (jworden at socialaw.com)
3. Re: Replacement Windows and a new study (Dennis De Witt)
4. Re: metal grave markers/Harvard's Shaker Burial Ground
(Roseanne Saalfield)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:27:30 -0400
From: "Gretchen Schuler" <ggschuler at verizon.net>
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To: "Historic Preservation List-serv" <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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I imagine that every HDC is struggling with requests to replace windows
with new modern "energy" windows. I wonder of any advice you have for
the way in which your Commission is addressing such requests for mid to
late 20th-century buildings in historic districts. We are seeing
requests for replacement windows that are wood clad on the interior but
not on the exterior and of course do not have true divided lites - in
fact no muntin profile on the exterior lite.
Any advice as to how you are proceeding with such applications will be
appreciated, particularly with all the focus on sustainable green
development that is energy efficient. We know what to say for 19th C.
windows but are in a bit of a quandry for 1950s to 1970s dwellings -
infill within districts - that may not have the advantage of having old
windows for which preservation is easier to promote.
Thanks,
Gretchen Schuler
Wayland HDC
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:01:36 -0400
From: "jworden at socialaw.com" <jworden at socialaw.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Replacement Windows
To: ggschuler at verizon.net, masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
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We have attempted to deal with this issue by adopting rather detailed
guidelines. Visit our web-site:
arlingtonhistoricdistrict.com, and go to "guidelines" Upion opening
that you will find the window business right near the beginning.
J. Worden
Arlington HDC
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>From : Gretchen Schuler[mailto:ggschuler at verizon.net]
Sent : 5/18/2011 3:27:30 PM
To : masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Cc :
Subject : RE: [MassHistPres] Replacement Windows
I imagine that every HDC is struggling with requests to replace windows
with new modern "energy" windows. I wonder of any advice you have for
the way in which your Commission is addressing such requests for mid to
late 20th-century buildings in historic districts. We are seeing
requests for replacement windows that are wood clad on the interior but
not on the exterior and of course do not have true divided lites - in
fact no muntin profile on the exterior lite.
Any advice as to how you are proceeding with such applications will be
appreciated, particularly with all the focus on sustainable green
development that is energy efficient. We know what to say for 19th C.
windows but are in a bit of a quandry for 1950s to 1970s dwellings -
infill within districts - that may not have the advantage of having old
windows for which preservation is easier to promote.
Thanks,
Gretchen Schuler
Wayland HDC
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 18:05:51 -0400
From: Dennis De Witt <djd184 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Replacement Windows and a new study
To: MHC MHC listserve <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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Same is true for Brookline, whose guidelines are on the town website.
Its tough to get a good comparison of double glazing and storms.
Historic Scotland has just put out a new technical study of reglazing
historic type wood sash with TDL thin section insulating glass and
included among their comparisons single glazing with storms.
You can download it from
http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/technicalpapers
and then download technical paper #9.
It consists of a series of three reports and an executive summary. Two
of them are embedded energy of new glazing.
Figure 4 in Report 3 together with the "Conclusions" of that paper on
p.8 shows eight types of double glazing -- with different types of gas
fill, etc. They show a range of reduction of U value for the insulating
glass over single glazing ranging from 35% to 63%. Single glazing with
"secondary glazing" (storm window) achieved a 61% reduction. The best
double glazing performance was achieved with an unconventional vacuum
fill glazing, which I think is not available in the US.
Dennis De Witt
On May 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, jworden at socialaw.com wrote:
> We have attempted to deal with this issue by adopting rather detailed
guidelines. Visit our web-site:
> arlingtonhistoricdistrict.com, and go to "guidelines" Upion opening
> that you will find the window business right near the beginning.
>
> J. Worden
> Arlington HDC
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> From : Gretchen Schuler[mailto:ggschuler at verizon.net]
> Sent : 5/18/2011 3:27:30 PM
> To : masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Cc :
> Subject : RE: [MassHistPres] Replacement Windows
>
> I imagine that every HDC is struggling with requests to replace
windows with new modern "energy" windows. I wonder of any advice you
have for the way in which your Commission is addressing such requests
for mid to late 20th-century buildings in historic districts. We are
seeing requests for replacement windows that are wood clad on the
interior but not on the exterior and of course do not have true divided
lites - in fact no muntin profile on the exterior lite.
>
> Any advice as to how you are proceeding with such applications will be
appreciated, particularly with all the focus on sustainable green
development that is energy efficient. We know what to say for 19th C.
windows but are in a bit of a quandry for 1950s to 1970s dwellings -
infill within districts - that may not have the advantage of having old
windows for which preservation is easier to promote.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gretchen Schuler
> Wayland HDC
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 19:44:44 -0400
From: Roseanne Saalfield <zan at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] metal grave markers/Harvard's Shaker
Burial Ground
To: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
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Hi
Our town counsel has determined that the town;s Cemetery Commission is
free to restore the cast iron markers in the town's Shaker Burial Ground
(within our Shaker Village Historic District) without the approval of
their work order by the historic commission, which I Chair.
Members of the Harvard Historic Commission dispute this fact and have
asked the Board of Selectmen(BoS) to issue a stop work order on their
current process of sand-blasting and powder-coating approximately two
dozen markers, removed a few weeks ago without notification to us.
Town Counsel has said that his determination is based on our definition
of the word 'structure', his belief being that the CC controls and
maintains the site and the HHC maintains any structures on the site. The
definition of a structure in section 5 of MGL Section 40C (definitions)
does not convince counsel that the grave markers are structures or, more
specifically, 'signs'. That definition reads says in part that a
structure is "... a combination of materials other than a building
including a sign, fence, wall, terrace, walk or driveway."
Effective today we are on the verge of being told we have no
jurisdiction over work done on this unique site.
Have any of you had experience with an issue such as this or can you
direct me to references - research or personnel - who could be helpful?
Thanks,
Roseanne Saalfield
Chair
Harvard Historic Commsion
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