[MassHistPres] Lead paint and windows (Ralph Slate)
Pat Patrick
pat at oldtownrepair.com
Wed Oct 19 19:41:01 EDT 2011
A subject close to my heart Ralph. Technical stuff aside, since when does a
fear trump written laws, regulations, guidelines, etc.? These people may
indeed fear the presence of lead in their windows, but what proof do they
have that the lead in the windows (if indeed present) specifically is or has
mobilized to the general residential environmental? Test the middle of the
floor in the kitchen and you find lead I bet! Well, did that lead come from
the windows, or the general presence of lead in a residence of a suspect
period? The point is, in my opinion, a regulatory body, assume historical,
has no obligation to consider inappropriate modifications within their
defined purview solely based on a fear. What is the proof and what is the
requirement? What requires the immediate replacement of these windows? Is
there a written document of authority that says this has to happen or has
some replacement contractor put this fear into play to gain a commercial
advantage?
I recommend you tell the people to show there is a legal requirement that
all windows be replaced. That appears the bottom line to me. No
requirement, no approval. Learn to deal with risk.
And when you tell them, also tell them to teach their children not to eat
off the floor, nor to chew on the windows.
Regards,
Pat Patrick
James M "Pat" Patrick
OldTownRepair
2 Pleasant Ct., Gr. Fl. Office
Marblehead, MA 01945
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Restoration and Solutions for Old and Historic Windows and Doors
Member of The Northeast Window Restorers Alliance
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:44:40 -0400
From: Ralph Slate <slater at alum.rpi.edu>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Lead paint and windows
To: massHistPres MA <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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At this week's Springfield Historical Commission meeting, we have two
proposals for replacing windows with inappropriate vinyl windows because
of to lead paint issues.
The argument of the first house is that they must replace the windows
immediately due to the lead paint risk, and they can only afford the
absolute cheapest option (vinyl, grids between the glass). The owners
purchased the property 2 years ago. They have a six year old child
living there, and plan on having additional children. They have 47
windows, and they are claiming a cost of $39,748 to replace with vinyl
grids between the glass ($845 per window), and a cost of $67,082 to do
vinyl with fixed exterior grids ($1,427 per window). No cost of
deleading and repairing existing windows has been supplied - does anyone
have ballpark figures for this kind of action?
The second house is being offered for sale to a residential facility
that houses pregnant women, so the same lead paint issue is being
raised, though the situation is different because the new owners would
have the issue. An additional issue is that they are claiming to be
required to have tempered/safety glass in all windows -- this is the
first I've heard of such a requirement. They are proposing to replace
12 windows at a cost of $20,870 ($1,739 per window) for vinyl, or
$30,850 done in wood ($2,570 per window). I believe these costs are
higher because the current windows are made with curved glass. No cost
for abatement on these windows has been provided either.
Does anyone have any experiences with such issues? Is there a legally
defensible position here, especially in the case with young children
already occupying the house? We do allow replacement windows as long as
the new windows meet certain guidelines, the new windows must have fixed
exterior grids, they must be in a dark color, and must be crafted like
an original window with the sash sitting on the sill, and not sitting
within a channel (like most vinyl windows).
Thanks,
Ralph Slate
Springfield Historical Commission
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:15:03 -0400
From: "Jane Guy" <JGuy at Salem.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Handicap Access Ramps
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The Salem Post Office has a pretty good one that was accomplished with a
lot of regrading.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxvt/2926844010/
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=salem,+ma+post+office&hl=en&rls=com.micro
soft:en-us&biw=1024&bih=616&tbm=isch&tbnid=G-NG-WTKc9xLDM:&imgrefurl=htt
p://manofmode.blogspot.com/2008/11/villa-saraceno.html&docid=bNR7aMH0tzp
gcM&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xzlBDiyiKEY/SSCGd3bHm3I/AAAAAAAAAeA
/x4SxbdtLHEw/s320/salem%252Bpost%252Boffice.JPG&w=320&h=240&ei=Pm2dTtiPK
qfn0QHtv8CcCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=95&vpy=285&dur=94&hovh=192&hovw=256&tx=
183&ty=118&sig=112996891477044639254&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=170&start=0&nd
sp=15&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0
Jane A. Guy
Assistant Community Development Director
City of Salem
Department of Planning & Community Development
120 Washington St., 3rd Floor
Salem, MA 01970
978-619-5685
(F) 978-740-0404
jguy at salem.com
www.salem.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:05:34 -0400
From: "Smith, William" <W1SMITH at bridgew.edu>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Handicap Access Ramps
Good Afternoon,
A local historic church wants to build an handicap access ramp on
the front side of the building, and our local HDC, which I chair, is not
pleased with the drawings that have been submitted. Does anyone on our
listserv have some examples of acceptable handicap access ramps to which
we could direct church committee and its designers, i.e. if this is not
a contradiction in terms? Any online photos or links would be much
appreciated.
Best,
W. Smith
William S. Smith, Ph.D.
Dean, College of Graduate Studies
Bridgewater State University
Bridgewater, Massachusetts 02325
Email: w1smith at bridgew.edu<mailto:w1smith at bridgew.edu>
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:35:45 -0400
From: "John Worden" <jworden at swwalaw.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Lead paint and windows
To: "Ralph Slate" <slater at alum.rpi.edu>, "massHistPres MA"
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Ralph,
I don't know specifically about the cost of de-leading, but we have found
that restoring/repairing deteriorated wood windows can be done in many cases
for $300-400 per window.
Before allowing the replacement of essentially sound original windows, we
require that estimates be presented on restoration instead.
John Worden
Arlington HDC
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From: "Ralph Slate" <slater at alum.rpi.edu>
To: "massHistPres MA" <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:44 PM
Subject: [MassHistPres] Lead paint and windows
> At this week's Springfield Historical Commission meeting, we have two
> proposals for replacing windows with inappropriate vinyl windows because
> of to lead paint issues.
>
> The argument of the first house is that they must replace the windows
> immediately due to the lead paint risk, and they can only afford the
> absolute cheapest option (vinyl, grids between the glass). The owners
> purchased the property 2 years ago. They have a six year old child living
> there, and plan on having additional children. They have 47 windows, and
> they are claiming a cost of $39,748 to replace with vinyl grids between
> the glass ($845 per window), and a cost of $67,082 to do vinyl with fixed
> exterior grids ($1,427 per window). No cost of deleading and repairing
> existing windows has been supplied - does anyone have ballpark figures for
> this kind of action?
>
> The second house is being offered for sale to a residential facility that
> houses pregnant women, so the same lead paint issue is being raised,
> though the situation is different because the new owners would have the
> issue. An additional issue is that they are claiming to be required to
> have tempered/safety glass in all windows -- this is the first I've heard
> of such a requirement. They are proposing to replace 12 windows at a cost
> of $20,870 ($1,739 per window) for vinyl, or $30,850 done in wood ($2,570
> per window). I believe these costs are higher because the current windows
> are made with curved glass. No cost for abatement on these windows has
> been provided either.
>
> Does anyone have any experiences with such issues? Is there a legally
> defensible position here, especially in the case with young children
> already occupying the house? We do allow replacement windows as long as
> the new windows meet certain guidelines, the new windows must have fixed
> exterior grids, they must be in a dark color, and must be crafted like an
> original window with the sash sitting on the sill, and not sitting within
> a channel (like most vinyl windows).
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Ralph Slate
> Springfield Historical Commission
>
>
>
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