[MassHistPres] MassHistPres Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2

Wed May 2 18:18:07 EDT 2012

Dear Fellow Members,

A bit belatedly I do want to extend my thanks and appreciation for your  
assistance in my preparing a presentation regarding the importance of 
preserving  our historic properties before the Osher Luncheon Group, "Lunch and  
Learn," at Tufts University.  It went very well with a number of good  
questions.

Rick Wheeler

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Today's Topics:

1.  Contribution to Street scape? (Robin Ragle-Davis)
2. Re:  Contribution to Street scape? (Diane Derby)
3. Re:  Contribution to Street scape? (Robin Ragle-Davis)
4. Re:  Contribution to Street scape? (Wolf, Emily)
5. Re:  Contribution to Street scape? (Kristi  Chase)

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Message:  1
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:09:06 -0400
From: Robin Ragle-Davis  <robin at rrinteractive.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Contribution to  Street scape?
To: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
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I am looking for  information from anyone on a HIstoric or Historic  
District  Commission who has had a hearing regarding demolition on a  
property  that is a significant contributor to a street scape. That is,  
the  building is a lovely old house on a street of properties of  
similar  or older homes and though it is not to our knowledge  
associated with  any significant persons or events would be a loss to  
the  neighborhood.

We don't have an actual built date on the property but it  appears to  
be 19th century at the very least - perhaps  older.
Robin Ragle-Davis,  Principal
rr.interactive
robin at rrinteractive.com
www.rrinteractive.com

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Message:  2
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:29:05 -0400
From: Diane Derby  <derby01 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Contribution to  Street scape?
To: Robin Ragle-Davis <robin at rrinteractive.com>
Cc:  masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
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In the BallardVale Historic District in  Andover, it is very unlikely that 
we would allow the tear down of "a lovely  old house on a street of 
properties of similar or older homes".  I'm sure  that's true with most Historic 
District Commission's.

Diane Derby, V  Chair, BVHDC

On May 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Robin Ragle-Davis  wrote:

> I am looking for information from anyone on a HIstoric or  Historic 
District Commission who has had a hearing regarding demolition on a  property 
that is a significant contributor to a street scape. That is, the  building is 
a lovely old house on a street of properties of similar or older  homes and 
though it is not to our knowledge associated with any significant  persons 
or events would be a loss to the neighborhood.
> 
> We  don't have an actual built date on the property but it appears to be 
19th  century at the very least - perhaps older.
> Robin Ragle-Davis,  Principal
> rr.interactive
> robin at rrinteractive.com
>  www.rrinteractive.com
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Message:  3
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:32:47 -0400
From: Robin Ragle-Davis  <robin at rrinteractive.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Contribution to  Street scape?
To: Diane Derby <derby01 at comcast.net>
Cc:  masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
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I should clarify  that this is not actually in a district but I want  
the input of both  District Commissions and Historical Commissions

Robin  Ragle-Davis
Chair, Wareham Historical Commission
On May 2, 2012, at 1:29  PM, Diane Derby wrote:

> In the BallardVale Historic District in  Andover, it is very unlikely  
> that we would allow the tear down  of "a lovely old house on a street  
> of properties of similar or  older homes".  I'm sure that's true with  
> most Historic  District Commission's.
>
> Diane Derby, V Chair,  BVHDC
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> On May 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Robin Ragle-Davis  wrote:
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>> I am looking for information from anyone on a  HIstoric or Historic  
>> District Commission who has had a  hearing regarding demolition on a  
>> property that is a  significant contributor to a street scape. That  
>> is, the  building is a lovely old house on a street of properties of  
>>  similar or older homes and though it is not to our knowledge   
>> associated with any significant persons or events would be a  loss  
>> to the neighborhood.
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>> We don't  have an actual built date on the property but it appears  
>> to  be 19th century at the very least - perhaps older.
>> Robin  Ragle-Davis, Principal
>> rr.interactive
>>  robin at rrinteractive.com
>>  www.rrinteractive.com
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Robin Ragle-Davis,  Principal
rr.interactive
robin at rrinteractive.com
www.rrinteractive.com

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Message:  4
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:25:16 -0400
From: "Wolf, Emily"  <Emily.Wolf at cityofboston.gov>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres]  Contribution to Street scape?
To: Robin Ragle-Davis  <robin at rrinteractive.com>,
"masshistpres at cs.umb.edu"     <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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Robin,

In Boston, one of the five  criteria for determining significance under our 
demolition delay ordinance  refers to a building's contribution to the 
streetscape:

Section  85.5.3(e) states "...the building is one whose loss would have a 
significant  negative impact on the historical or architectural integrity or 
urban design  character of the neighborhood."

Best,

Emily  Wolf

Emily Wolf
Architectural Historian / Assistant Survey  Director
Boston Landmarks Commission
City of Boston Environment  Department
Boston City Hall, Room 805
Boston, MA 02201
T:  617/635-3850 F:  617/635-3435
www.cityofboston.gov/landmarks<http://www.cityofboston.gov/landmarks>
Follow  us at twitter.com/COBLandmarks

-----Original  Message-----
From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu  
[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Robin  Ragle-Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 1:09 PM
To:  masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Subject: [MassHistPres] Contribution to Street  scape?

I am looking for information from anyone on a HIstoric  or Historic 
District Commission who has had a hearing regarding demolition on  a property that 
is a significant contributor to a street scape. That is, the  building is a 
lovely old house on a street of properties of similar or older  homes and 
though it is not to our knowledge associated with any significant  persons or 
events would be a loss to the neighborhood.

We don't  have an actual built date on the property but it appears to be 
19th century at  the very least - perhaps older.

Robin Ragle-Davis,  Principal

rr.interactive

robin at rrinteractive.com<mailto:robin at rrinteractive.com>

www.rrinteractive.com<http://www.rrinteractive.com>

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Message:  5
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:47:08 -0400
From: "Kristi Chase"  <KChase at somervillema.gov>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Contribution to  Street scape?
To: "Wolf, Emily" <Emily.Wolf at cityofboston.gov>,   "Robin Ragle-Davis"
<robin at rrinteractive.com>,  <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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Our Commission often finds properties to  be significant and/or
preferably preserved because   

that  the building or structure is either: 

i.         Importantly associated with one or more historic persons or
events,  or with the broad architectural, cultural, political, economic
or social  history of the City or the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, or

ii.   Historically or architecturally significant (in  terms of
period, style, method of building construction, or association  with a
reputed architect or builder) either by itself or in the context of  a
group of buildings or structures, and therefore it is in the  public
interest to be preserved or rehabilitated rather than to be  demolished.

This covers a lot of workers housing and middle class  houses that are
not otherwise distinctive on their own but would certainly  be a loss to
the streetscape 
and to the neighborhood.  Since so  little of the City has been
thoroughly surveyed, it unfortunately requires  researching the entire
group of houses with which 
it is associated and  making the case for the whole neighborhood as being
worth preserving.   

It has saved us from having a few missing teeth and  totally
inappropriate new structures.

Kristi Chase, Preservation  Planner 
Historic Preservation Commission 
Office of Strategic Planning  and Community Development 
93 Highland Avenue, Somerville, MA  02143  
(t) 617-625-6600 x2525, (f) 617-625-0722  

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From:  masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu
[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On  Behalf Of Wolf, Emily
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:25 PM
To: Robin  Ragle-Davis; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres]  Contribution to Street scape?

Robin,

In Boston,  one of the five criteria for determining significance under
our demolition  delay ordinance refers to a building's contribution to
the  streetscape:

Section 85.5.3(e) states "...the building is one  whose loss would have a
significant negative impact on the historical or  architectural integrity
or urban design character of the  neighborhood."

Best,

Emily Wolf

Emily  Wolf

Architectural Historian / Assistant Survey Director

Boston  Landmarks Commission

City of Boston Environment Department 
Boston  City Hall, Room 805
Boston, MA 02201
T: 617/635-3850 F: 617/635-3435  
www.cityofboston.gov/landmarks  <http://www.cityofboston.gov/landmarks>  

Follow us at  twitter.com/COBLandmarks

-----Original  Message-----
From:  masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu
[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On  Behalf Of Robin Ragle-Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 1:09 PM
To:  masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
Subject: [MassHistPres] Contribution to Street  scape?

I am looking for information from anyone on a HIstoric  or Historic
District Commission who has had a hearing regarding demolition  on a
property that is a significant contributor to a street scape. That  is,
the building is a lovely old house on a street of properties of  similar
or older homes and though it is not to our knowledge associated  with any
significant persons or events would be a loss to the  neighborhood.

We don't have an actual built date on the  property but it appears to be
19th century at the very least - perhaps  older.

Robin Ragle-Davis,   Principal

rr.interactive

robin at rrinteractive.com  <mailto:robin at rrinteractive.com> 

www.rrinteractive.com  <http://www.rrinteractive.com>  

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