[MassHistPres] Slate Roof Substitution Materials

[Malley, Rachel]

Hello All,

I just want to thank you all for your advice and input on this matter, and for the time you took to research and respond. I apologize for the delay in my response. I am a part time office assistant. The information you provided has been passed on to the Chair of the Commission.

Thank you!

Rachel Malley, Administrative Assistant
City of Waltham
Historical Commission
119 School Street, Room 24
Waltham, MA  02451
781-314-3389



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To echo comments made by others, since your community has adopted CPA, this would be an ideal project to apply for CPA-Historic Preservation funds.

An actual conditions assessment of the roof and underlying structure seems to be an appropriate first step to fully understand what the current conditions actually are - at least in Somerville, conditions assessments are one of the first things that we require for such major CPA-HP asks - and is something that CPA-HP can fund.

A properly installed/restored/maintained slate roof will last longer than the average human lifespan.


Sarah White, MDS-HP
Senior Planner
Planning, Preservation, & Zoning Division (PPZ)

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Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Slate Roof Substitution Materials


One important consideration is the present status of the roof.  For most historical commissions removal of a slate roof and replacement with something like asphalt shingles is a pretty heavy lift.  On Google Maps street view it appears that the church roof may be asphalt shingles, but the resolution of the easily found photos does not make it quite clear.  Replacement of a replacement material, however, is a different discussion from replacement of historic materials.  In Swampscott replacement of asphalt shingles with asphalt shingles would usually be accepted, at least for homeowners.  What we have never seen is an application to replace replacement materials with closer mimics of historic materials.



What is being proposed here?



Richard Smith

Swampscott Historical Commission



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Ward Hamilton advised the Community Preservation Commission on the slate roof of the Westport Town Hall.  We highly recommend him.



Betty Slade, Westport, CPC chair



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In a message dated 3/28/2024 12:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, masshistpres at cs.umb.edu<mailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu> writes:



An historically-appropriate treatment plan would require replacement in kind: Existing real slate replaced by new real slate. When would it be appropriate to consider alternative materials? When appropriate materials are not available. Roofing slate is available.



Is the applicant claiming a financial hardship exists? Unless and until bona-fide proposals illustrating the cost difference between real slate and an inferior artifical slate (i.e., EcoStar Majestic) there is no reason to consider alternative materials.



Most folks are unaware that the cost of real Vermont slate and EcoStar Majestic materials are about the same. The skilled labor is the primary cost driver. The alleged savings associated with fake slate is that the contractor will supposedly charge less because it's not as heavy as the real deal.



On a large scale project such as First Congregational Church in Waltham, the difference between the two might be 8 to 10%.





Ward Hamilton

OLDE MOHAWK HISTORIC PRESERVATION
Slate Roofing | Masonry | Architectural Woodwork
877.622.8973                                  OldeMohawk.com<http://OldeMohawk.com>



On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 11:49 AM Judy Markland via MassHistPres <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu<mailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>> wrote:

Whately would be interested as well and would appreciate any comparative cost information.

Judy Markland, Whately Historical Commission.



On 3/28/2024 10:51 AM, Malley, Rachel via MassHistPres wrote:

Hello Everyone,



I’m the new office assistant for the Waltham Historical Commission. How wonderful to have this network of knowledgeable people to learn from!



We have an inquiry from a local church that would like to have the roof replaced. The chairman of our commission would like to know if any other materials besides the original slate would be acceptable for historic restoration.



This is the church: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/opastorage/live/85/7918/63791885/content/electronic-records/rg-079/NPS_MA/89001548.pdf



Thank you!



Rachel Malley, Administrative Assistant

City of Waltham

Historical Commission

119 School Street, Room 24

Waltham, MA  02451

781-314-3389







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