[MassHistPres] Town Hall privy

[Ann Clifford]

This discussion about privies is fascinating. Thank you for sharing the images of the Waterworks, Dennis.

Here in Concord, we’ve been wondering about the sheds attached to the Wright Tavern shown in the 1775 engraving by Amos Doolittle. (The Wright Tavern is of course the hip-roofed red building at the juncture of today’s Lexington and Main Streets.)

Plate II. A view of the town of Concord - NYPL Digital Collections<https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/510d47d9-7eae-a3d9-e040-e00a18064a99>

Perhaps they are woodsheds…or perhaps they are privies. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ann

Ann Clifford, Senior Planner
Town of Concord Planning Division
141 Keyes Rd.
Concord, MA 01742
978-318-3290

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Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] Town Hall privy

Mike

I suspect that privy may be older than you think and the addition may just have incorporated it.  The ca. 1896 Metropolitan Water Works photos of buildings demolished or moved for the Wachusett Reservoir often show privies, many with vent stacks, added to the backs of buildings — sometimes multi-story arrangements.  There are also a couple of MWW photos of sites in the metro Boston area thru the early ‘20s showing privys.  (I even know of what I think is a single story privy shed that seems to have survived on the back of two unit building in Brookline.)

Attached are some photos.

Dennis DeWitt
Metropolitan Waterworks Museum

PS: and BTW, I have discovered that Boston once had iron Parisian type pissoirs

School with two story privy ca. 1896
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Two houses with two story privys
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Houses with attached privy
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Vented privy off barn
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privy off attached barn
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On Jan 23, 2025, at 1:28 PM, Michael Tubin via MassHistPres <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu<mailto:masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>> wrote:

Mike
if the privy is excavated, based on artifacts/trash you may be able to determine how long it has been there---a little gross but may provide some answers




Regards,
Michael

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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 12:11 PM
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Subject: [MassHistPres] Town Hall privy

I’m looking for any advice or suggestions regarding how the Brimfield Historical Commission might be able to address an issue with a potentially historic feature of our Town Hall. There is currently a project underway to develop plans to renovate the building and add on a new addition. As part of the project, the existing 1932 addition to the building will first be demolished because of structural issues. We accept that premise. However, that addition includes a 2-seat privy, a feature which I imagine not many Town Halls in the state share. We would like to see it kept and relocated somewhere in the renovated building, given its uniqueness. The design folks and building committee say that they can save the privy and then we can do what we want with it but they won’t include it in the renovated building because it’s not part of the original 1878 construction. Given that in 1932, indoor plumbing was becoming fairly common, I question if the privy was a new feature at that time or whether it already existed on the property and was just moved into the 1932 addition. I can’t find any plans or documentation that provide information on that 1932 addition that would help to understand its provenance.. Is this a reasonable “battle” to pursue or should we just make the assumption that it was new in 1932 and find a different location if we vote to keep it.

I should also mention that this is still in the design stage and no official town vote has yet been taken to actually move forward.

Mike DeFalco
Brimfield Historical Commission

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