[MassHistPres] Like kind windows

Tue Feb 14 11:00:22 EST 2017

john, your response is music to my ears!
we are working on a 100 year old home in Wellesley where we will
restore the wood primary and storm windows in the basement...no soil
problems here, just a band of naughty squirrels who chewed through
the muntins in an attempt to escape the house.......

jade Mortimer
heartwood window restoration

Quoting jworden at swwalaw.com:

> Nancy,Contractors typically want to replace windows because it's  
> easier, and they can buy them for x dollars & sell them to the  
> homeowner for 2x dollars.  When someone wants to replace windows, we  
> first ask if the owner has looked into repairing rather than  
> replacing - which often turns out to be no more (sometimes less)  
> expensive, and you get a  better product because old wood is so much  
> better than what they have now.  After getting caught once (promised  
> wood windows, got wood clad with aluminum), we are very careful to  
> say no clad, no composite, no vinyl.  The only exceptions are  
> basement windows exposed to dirt and moisture.Good wood windows in  
> historic designs are available - one of my sons, who lives in an  
> 1819 house, just got some.John WordenArlington Historic District  
> Commissions
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> From    :  
> masshistpres-request at cs.umb.edu[mailto:masshistpres-request at cs.umb.edu]
> Sent    : 2/13/2017 12:00:02 PM
> To      : masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> Cc      :
> Subject : RE: MassHistPres Digest, Vol 132, Issue 15
>
>  Send MassHistPres mailing list submissions to
> 	masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	 http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	masshistpres-request at cs.umb.edu
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	masshistpres-owner at cs.umb.edu
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of MassHistPres digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. windows (Nancy Dole)
>    2. Re: windows (Christopher Bader)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:41:11 -0500
>
>
> What does "like kind" mean? We have been getting applications for
> certificate of non applicability for "maintenance, repair or replacement
> using same design materials, color" in which the applicant (contractor)
> notes that he plans to "remove existing windows and replace with like
> kind, color and grill pattern" .  We recently learned that what he means
> is he wants to replace existng wooden windows with insulated aluminum
> clad window inserts, specifically "Marvin Aluminum Clad Ultimate Insert
> Double Hung" .
>
> I assumed by the nature of the application that "like kind" meant the
> same material, ie replace wood with wood. Another member felt that "like
> kind" could mean replace wooden window with true divided lites, with
> insulated aluminum clad wooden windows with mullions attached to glass,
> because aluminum clad were the same color, were the same size diameter
> and had a six over six grill pattern applied to glass that was like the
> old six over six original window.
>
> Any one out there that can define "like kind". And do any districts have
> a list of windows that they approve?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nancy Dole, West Tisbury Historic District Commission
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: < "  
> target="_new">http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/private/masshistpres/attachments/20170211/635d555b/attachment.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:37:36 -0500
>
>
> Nancy,
>
> "Like kind" of course means exactly what it appears to mean.  Wood with
> wood, etc.
>
> In Medford, we have often permitted an "indistinguishable in appearance"
> standard instead.  You should ask the contractor to bring in a physical
> sample (not a photo) of what he intends to install.  Good contractors will
> do this.
>
> Chris Bader
> Chair, Medford Historic District Commission
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Nancy Dole <ndole at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> What does "like kind" mean? We have been getting applications for
>> certificate of non applicability for "maintenance, repair or replacement
>> using same design materials, color" in which the applicant (contractor)
>> notes that he plans to "remove existing windows and replace with like kind,
>> color and grill pattern" .  We recently learned that what he means is he
>> wants to replace existng wooden windows with insulated aluminum clad window
>> inserts, specifically "Marvin Aluminum Clad Ultimate Insert Double Hung" .
>>
>> I assumed by the nature of the application that "like kind" meant the same
>> material, ie replace wood with wood. Another member felt that "like kind"
>> could mean replace wooden window with true divided lites, with insulated
>> aluminum clad wooden windows with mullions attached to glass, because
>> aluminum clad were the same color, were the same size diameter and had a
>> six over six grill pattern applied to glass that was like the old six over
>> six original window.
>>
>> Any one out there that can define "like kind". And do any districts have a
>> list of windows that they approve?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nancy Dole, West Tisbury Historic District Commission
>>
>> ******************************
>> For administrative questions regarding this list, please contact
>> Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us directly.  PLEASE DO NOT "REPLY" TO THE
>> WHOLE LIST.
>> MassHistPres mailing list
>> MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu
>>  http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres
>> ********************************
>>
>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: < "  
> target="_new">http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/private/masshistpres/attachments/20170212/82729c78/attachment-0001.htm>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> MassHistPres mailing list
> MassHistPres at cs.umb.edu
>  http://mailman.cs.umb.edu/mailman/listinfo/masshistpres
>
>
> End of MassHistPres Digest, Vol 132, Issue 15
> *********************************************