[MassHistPres] replacement windows

[Garrett Laws]

Nancy,

Let throw a slightly different question at you.

Will the historic commission take any responsibility if they “specify” an
item that then has a failure or defect in the short term? What if (in
addition to a failure) the manufacturer goes out of business?

Would a homeowner *think* they had recourse in either of these situations?
Could this create a very uncomfortable situation for the commission?

Garrett Laws
Copper & Slate
(781) 893-1916

On Saturday, March 17, 2018, heartwood <jade at heartwoodrestoration.com>
wrote:

> I am in agreement with the feedback that has been offered thus far...
> we in the window restoration trade have our work cut out for us as we
> are not equipped with deep pockets for marketing our superior product
> and counter the hyperbole of the window replacement salesman...
>
> at one ‘historic’ trade show years ago, pella windows was set up next to
> my booth...they had a full sized sample window on one side of their area
> and a sign that stated ‘you will never see finger jointed wood in our
> product’ on
> the other...and there it was, clear as a knot, a finger jointed frame clad
> with polyvinyl
> chloride (vinyl)!  sure, once the window was installed the homeowner
> couldn’t
> ‘see’ the finger jointed wood but it was there...we’ve all seen the foggy
> double pane
> glass in newer windows, where wonderful old wood windows once graced the
> building not 25 years prior...
>
> windows are such an essential character of an old home...they exist for
> generations
> with grace and utility...keep your business local and hire a craftsperson
> who can make
> your windows energy efficient and ready for another century of use with
> not so regular
> maintenance...
>
> nancy, I understand this can be a challenging position for historic
> commissions when a
> homeowner has drunk the replacement kool-aid...we need to continue
> educating folks
> about the long term costs of replacement windows...
>
> https://www.forthepeople.com/class-action-lawyers/pella-windows-lawsuit/
> https://www.bobvila.com/posts/21056-rotting-mw-windows?page=1
> https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2010/03/22/daily46.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *jade mortimerheartwood window restorationpo box 114 1605 mohawk trail
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1605+mohawk+trail+charlemont,+ma+%0D%0A01339&entry=gmail&source=g>charlemont,
> ma 01339413-625-8680*
>
> *From:* Garrett Laws <copperandslate at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2018 5:57 PM
> *To:* Nancy Dole <nlouisedole at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [MassHistPres] replacement windows
>
> Nancy,
>
> This is an age old problem and I’d say a large issue (not always
> addressed) is that manufacturers regularly change their model numbers etc.
> The other pressing issue is that there’s a larger lobby for the replacement
> window industry than the rebuild and add storms...
>
> If the windows are built from old growth lumber, the house will never get
> that back again.
>
> Distributing a “list” of approved manufacturers is essentially rubber
> stamping the potential removal of all historic windows in the town, I’d be
> very careful with that approach.
>
> Garrett Laws
> Copper & Slate Co
> Waltham, ma
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2018, Nancy Dole <nlouisedole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We need to provide owners with a list of replacement windows that we
>> would consider suitable.
>>
>> Plymouth HDC has a list, which I have. They have a list of acceptable
>> windows for properties they feel have great historic significance, and
>> another list for properties that they think do not have historic
>> significance.
>>
>> Could anyone forward me a list if your district has one, or tell me what
>> you have approved?
>>
>> People in our district are more and more often requesting permission to
>> replace existing wooden windows with aluminum clad or vinyl windows that
>> are energy efficient. We are deciding as they come to us on a case by case
>> basis, and its difficult for everyone involved. The applicant has no idea
>> what we will accept, our only guideline is we prefer wooden windows and
>> repairing existing windows. But that is not what  need to know, since for
>> the most part they want to switch to modern materials etc. they do not want
>> the wood windows.
>>
>> Other owners are not aware we might ok alum clad etc, and so they don't
>> apply for them. We need to address this in a responsible way.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nancy Dole
>> WTHDC
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Garrett Laws
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Cheers,
Garrett Laws

The Copper & Slate Company, Inc.
Fine Roofing and Exterior Finish Carpentry
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