[MassHistPres] a hex on plastic gutters

[Sam Bird]

That's great! I hopefully there are many more years left in them, but  
remember that the wood gutter of 120 years ago was old growth timber  
which is a very different animal than wood available today. In any  
case the point was that wood gutters, even well maintained, will  
require replacement eventually whether in 20 or 120 years but despite  
that, for a historically sensitive application perhaps that's the way  
to go given all the less appropriate or palatable options.

Sam Bird AIA, LEED AP

On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Dennis De Witt wrote:

> Not sure I can buy the idea of
> "faithfully cleaned and oiled at least twice a year and then  
> replaced every 20 to 30 years"
> The wood gutters on my house are 120 years old.
>
> Dennis De Witt
> Brookline
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Sam Bird wrote:
>
>> While I agree that PVC (Azek et al) is an environmental disaster,
>> let's stop to think about LCC (lead coated copper). Eaves and gutter
>> bottoms are subject to great wear and erosion over time - where is
>> all that water and lead going? I believe the manufacture of LCC is
>> now all offshore as domestic companies can't do it and comply with
>> environmental regs - that has to tell us something about LCC.
>>
>> Also, sealing one side of a piece of wood and not the other (in this
>> case the inside of the gutter) is not a great idea in terms of
>> preserving the wood long term. This leads to differential drying and
>> premature checking and failure.
>>
>> This is a situation where there may not be an ideally historically
>> correct and green solution except for the way it has been done for
>> ages - ie. a wood gutter, well pitched, faithfully cleaned and oiled
>> at least twice a year and then replaced every 20 to 30 years. If the
>> push is to create "green jobs" perhaps the job of maintenance of the
>> green replacements for "maintenance free" materials is one place to
>> start.
>>
>> Sam Bird AIA, LEED AP
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Deane Rykerson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:45 AM, James Hadley wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a wood replica gutter available from Azek. It may be one
>>>> of the
>>>> better uses for Azek.
>>>> Jim Hadley, Orleans Historical Commission
>>>
>>>
>>> please, please, please don't use plastic (except maybe mixed with
>>> wood for decking).  What an environmental disaster in manufacture.
>>>
>>> We are using doug fir gutters at Hancock-Clarke in Lexington.  One
>>> section was bought at the lumber yard 30 feet long.  Here is a
>>> detail to line the wood gutter with copper (in this case lead-
>>> coated), adapted from Arron Sturgis and Rex Passion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Deane Rykerson AIA
>>> Rykerson Architecture
>>> 1 Salt Marsh Lane
>>> Kittery Point ME 03905
>>> 207-439-8755
>>> <Picture 7.png>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and the real thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> <Picture 9.png>
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