[MassHistPres] a hex on plastic gutters

[Dennis De Witt]

Sam

Your "old growth" point is well taken.  I suspect too that after  
dozens of applications of linseed and turps the gutter becomes  
permeated and very resistant.  The weak points are the corners and  
drain leaders -- two other uses of lead.

Dennis


On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Sam Bird wrote:

> That's great! I hopefully there are many more years left in them,  
> but remember that the wood gutter of 120 years ago was old growth  
> timber which is a very different animal than wood available today.  
> In any case the point was that wood gutters, even well maintained,  
> will require replacement eventually whether in 20 or 120 years but  
> despite that, for a historically sensitive application perhaps  
> that's the way to go given all the less appropriate or palatable  
> options.
>
> Sam Bird AIA, LEED AP
>
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Dennis De Witt wrote:
>
>> Not sure I can buy the idea of
>> "faithfully cleaned and oiled at least twice a year and then  
>> replaced every 20 to 30 years"
>> The wood gutters on my house are 120 years old.
>>
>> Dennis De Witt
>> Brookline
>>
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Sam Bird wrote:
>>
>>> While I agree that PVC (Azek et al) is an environmental disaster,
>>> let's stop to think about LCC (lead coated copper). Eaves and gutter
>>> bottoms are subject to great wear and erosion over time - where is
>>> all that water and lead going? I believe the manufacture of LCC is
>>> now all offshore as domestic companies can't do it and comply with
>>> environmental regs - that has to tell us something about LCC.
>>>
>>> Also, sealing one side of a piece of wood and not the other (in this
>>> case the inside of the gutter) is not a great idea in terms of
>>> preserving the wood long term. This leads to differential drying and
>>> premature checking and failure.
>>>
>>> This is a situation where there may not be an ideally historically
>>> correct and green solution except for the way it has been done for
>>> ages - ie. a wood gutter, well pitched, faithfully cleaned and oiled
>>> at least twice a year and then replaced every 20 to 30 years. If the
>>> push is to create "green jobs" perhaps the job of maintenance of the
>>> green replacements for "maintenance free" materials is one place to
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Sam Bird AIA, LEED AP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Deane Rykerson wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:45 AM, James Hadley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is a wood replica gutter available from Azek. It may be one
>>>>> of the
>>>>> better uses for Azek.
>>>>> Jim Hadley, Orleans Historical Commission
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> please, please, please don't use plastic (except maybe mixed with
>>>> wood for decking).  What an environmental disaster in manufacture.
>>>>
>>>> We are using doug fir gutters at Hancock-Clarke in Lexington.  One
>>>> section was bought at the lumber yard 30 feet long.  Here is a
>>>> detail to line the wood gutter with copper (in this case lead-
>>>> coated), adapted from Arron Sturgis and Rex Passion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Deane Rykerson AIA
>>>> Rykerson Architecture
>>>> 1 Salt Marsh Lane
>>>> Kittery Point ME 03905
>>>> 207-439-8755
>>>> <Picture 7.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and the real thing.
>>>>
>>>>
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