[MassHistPres] a hex on plastic gutters

[jade]

plain copper may be a better idea though lead laden jet fuel will be with us at least for the foreseeable future --raining down on us as it has for decades...so much for green...

before installing trim, i back prime AND paint, essentially sealing the wood from the elements...since the interior of the gutter will be sealed from water and moisture, and the fascia has a drip edge, i don't see water hanging around to cause acceleration of deterioration...expansion  and contraction over time will cause the paint to fail, but that is why maintenance is such and important piece of the puzzle...PAINT IS THE GREAT MAINTAINER......

i agree that one way of looking at maintenance is securing 'green jobs'...argh, did i say 'green'??

...jade
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sam Bird 
  To: Deane Rykerson 
  Cc: masshistpres at cs.umb.edu 
  Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] a hex on plastic gutters


  While I agree that PVC (Azek et al) is an environmental disaster,  
  let's stop to think about LCC (lead coated copper). Eaves and gutter  
  bottoms are subject to great wear and erosion over time - where is  
  all that water and lead going? I believe the manufacture of LCC is  
  now all offshore as domestic companies can't do it and comply with  
  environmental regs - that has to tell us something about LCC.

  Also, sealing one side of a piece of wood and not the other (in this  
  case the inside of the gutter) is not a great idea in terms of  
  preserving the wood long term. This leads to differential drying and  
  premature checking and failure.

  This is a situation where there may not be an ideally historically  
  correct and green solution except for the way it has been done for  
  ages - ie. a wood gutter, well pitched, faithfully cleaned and oiled  
  at least twice a year and then replaced every 20 to 30 years. If the  
  push is to create "green jobs" perhaps the job of maintenance of the  
  green replacements for "maintenance free" materials is one place to  
  start.

  Sam Bird AIA, LEED AP


  On Aug 4, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Deane Rykerson wrote:

  >
  > On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:45 AM, James Hadley wrote:
  >
  >> There is a wood replica gutter available from Azek. It may be one  
  >> of the
  >> better uses for Azek.
  >> Jim Hadley, Orleans Historical Commission
  >
  >
  > please, please, please don't use plastic (except maybe mixed with  
  > wood for decking).  What an environmental disaster in manufacture.
  >
  > We are using doug fir gutters at Hancock-Clarke in Lexington.  One  
  > section was bought at the lumber yard 30 feet long.  Here is a  
  > detail to line the wood gutter with copper (in this case lead- 
  > coated), adapted from Arron Sturgis and Rex Passion.
  >
  >
  > Deane Rykerson AIA
  > Rykerson Architecture
  > 1 Salt Marsh Lane
  > Kittery Point ME 03905
  > 207-439-8755
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  >
  >
  > and the real thing.
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