[MassHistPres] MassHistPres Digest, Vol 31, Issue 15
TanyaCush at aol.com
TanyaCush at aol.com
Wed Sep 17 14:58:26 EDT 2008
Dennis,
I would guess that if you have thought about all these people, places,
things and groups as worthy of an award, there is a possible need of an award for
all of them. I suggest naming and defining the award with as all-inclusive
language as possible. Maybe that means saying less rather than more.
Tanya
Leverett
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Today's Topics:
1. Info for writing your senator about scrap metal bill - and
please write! (David Temple)
2. preservation award guidelines (Dennis De Witt)
3. Re: preservation award guidelines (Burks, Sarah)
4. Re: preservation award guidelines (James Hadley)
5. Re: preservation award guidelines (Marcia Starkey)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:00:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Temple <davidftemple at yahoo.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Info for writing your senator about scrap
metal bill - and please write!
To: MHC listserve <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>, Dennis De Witt
<djdewitt at rcn.com>
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As Dennis DeWitt and others have noted (see below), this scrap metal dealer
regulation bill is an important?for the preservation community to prevent
theft of statues, monuments, iron fences, etc., as the price for scrap iron has
risen from $150 per ton in 2005 to over $600 per ton today.
?
Although a majority of the states have such a bill, the Massachusetts
legislature has been talking and talking for three years...without result.? We on
this list need to write and to encouage other local officials to write as well.
?
The bill is S. 228.? Here's a link?to it:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/185/st00/st00228.htm
?
Here's a link to all the members of the state Senate:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/memmenus.htm
In your reply, please include my original message. AOL users please note!
David Temple
David F. Temple, Inc.
300 South Street
Medfield, MA 02052
508-359-2915
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Dennis De Witt <djdewitt at rcn.com> wrote:
From: Dennis De Witt <djdewitt at rcn.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] Scrap metal legislation stalled
To: "MHC listserve" <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:26 AM
In case you haven't seen this morning's Globe. Here is a link to an
article about bills concerning the regulation of scrap metal yards.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/09/16/regulating_
the_scrap_heap/
29 states, including Rhode Island, regulate scrap dealers to reduce
theft. Even the scrap dealers' national association supports more
regulation than Mass. has. (Presently there is none on the state
level.)
Any town that has ever suffered the loss of historic metal artifacts
and building components has a stake in this legislation, which is
currently stalled.
Legislators act if they know there is interest. If historical
societies and Commissions and other affected groups were to contact
their local State Reps and state Senators (as well as Senator James E.
Timilty who is sponsoring the bill) -- and asked their boards of
selectmen to do the same -- it could truly make a difference on Beacon
Hill.
Dennis De Witt
Brookline
Here are excerpts from the Globe article:
They come in nearly every day, trying to sell him copper wire, old
radiators, air conditioner coils, doors, gutters, just about anything
made of metal.
In his 68 years buying other people's garbage, Ruben Lenox has never
seen so many charlatans walk into his Dorchester junkyard - the kind
of people who have stolen city manhole covers, ransacked religious
buildings and foreclosed homes for copper pipes, and as recently as
last month robbed a Salem fraternal organization of its 1,400-pound
steel wheelchair lift, during a daytime funeral.
As the price of scrap metal has rocketed to record levels this summer,
Beacon Hill lawmakers are seeking to join the majority of other states
in the country that have passed laws to increase regulations on how
scrap metal is bought and sold.
But in Massachusetts, where police last week arrested two government
employees in the theft of $500,000 worth of decorative cast-iron trim
from the Longfellow Bridge, the efforts to hold scrap dealers such as
Lenox more accountable have made little progress.
In the past year, state Senator James E. Timilty has pushed a bill
that would require scrap dealers and pawnshop brokers to record the
name, address, date of birth, photo, and other details about the
seller and the items being sold. That information would be sent to an
online registry accessible by authorities.
"Stories of thefts are now a weekly occurrence," said Timilty, a
Walpole Democrat who serves as cochairman of the Legislature's Joint
Committee on Public Safety and Homeland Security. "Something has to be
done."
But the bill has failed to attract enough support to pass a full vote
in the Legislature because of a combination of budget pressures and
industry lobbying. Timilty estimates building and staffing such an
online registry would cost the state about $1 million.
The Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries, a Washington-based group
that promotes the industry and tracks scrap legislation, said that in
the last year, 29 states have passed scrap-related laws.
Delaware, for example, now requires scrap dealers to adhere to State
Police record-keeping requirements and hold copper wire for at least a
week before sending it to a smelter. In Florida, dealers must review a
government-issued identification card for all scrap sales and no
longer can accept cash transactions. Hawaii requires scrap dealers to
pay sellers of metals by check, sent via mail no sooner than five days
after the purchase; Louisiana mandates those selling vehicles as scrap
to provide a sworn statement to prove they own the goods; and
Minnesota bars scrap dealers from buying beer kegs from anyone other
than the manufacturer.
The trade group has encouraged state lawmakers around the country to
pass legislation to regulate what it says was a $71 billion industry
last year that employed 50,000 people and recycled 15 million metric
tons of scrap. With demand for metals rising in developing countries
such as China, India, and Brazil, the group said the price of scrap
iron and steel rose from $89 a ton in summer 2000 to more than $600
this year.
State lawmakers and law enforcement officials said the online registry
would be modeled after a similar program in Rhode Island, which they
said has helped solve everything from break-ins to arsons. They said
anything less than an online registry of sellers - visible only to
police and prosecutors - would be impractical as a means of helping
police solve crimes.
Wayne Sampson, executive director of the Massachusetts Chiefs of
Police Association, said the registry would make it much easier for
officers who track stolen property.
"At the least, this bill would set uniform standards around the state,
and that would be a big help," Sampson said.
"Metal thefts have become a big problem, and the state should be doing
more. Law enforcement officials around the state strongly support
having an online registry."
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:31:50 -0400
From: Dennis De Witt <djdewitt at rcn.com>
Subject: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
To: MHC listserve <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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We are thinking about Preservation Award guidelines.
Assuming Chris has not already done so, I am very interested in
collecting any and all examples of guidelines that may be in use
relating to preservations awards.
In addition here are some basic philosophical questions. I'd be
interested in any literature or practice (examples) that might bear on
these questions.
a) In the case of an award relating to a building, does the award go
to a building or to the people responsible for the project?
b) Should you ever give an award to a new building just because it
fits well in its context?
c) Should you ever give an award to a new building in an LHD just
because it fits well in its context even tho it has done little more
than successfully follow the guidelines?
d) Should you ever give an award to someone who genuinely has done
some significant restoration work on an important building even though
they may have vigorously opposed some other unrelated preservation/
project?
e) Should you ever given an award to someone who has worked long and
hard to "beautify" and economically strengthen part of an NRD without
ever having really done anything related to historic fabric that could
be called preservation?
f) Should you ever give an award to someone for a project relating to
a particular property even tho they have demolished a structure on
that property which had a demolition stay imposed on it?
If nothing else. Please feel free to "vote." -- briefly or at
length. If there are enough responses, I'll tally them
Dennis De Witt
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:28:37 -0400
From: "Burks, Sarah" <sburks at cambridgema.gov>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
To: "'Dennis De Witt'" <djdewitt at rcn.com>, "'MHC listserve'"
<masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
Message-ID: <E7452CAB45CABA4894F38226EE71F3BB01AA9E3475 at Mordac.City>
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Hi Dennis,
Cambridge's Awards program and criteria are outlined on our website,
http://www.cambridgema.gov/historic/awards.html
We give the awards to the buildings/projects, but obviously present them to
and recognize the owners and project contributors. We also give certificates
of merit to storefront renovations/restorations and to individuals who have
been leaders in the local preservation community. We have a special award,
named in honor of our former member and architect, Tony Platt, that honors a
project exhibiting the goals of the neighborhood conservation districts.
Sarah Burks
____________________________________________
Sarah L. Burks
Preservation Planner
Cambridge Historical Commission
831 Massachusetts Avenue, 2nd Fl.
Cambridge, MA 02139
617/349-4687 phone; 617/349-6112 TTY; 617/349-3116 fax
http://www.cambridgema.gov/~Historic
-----Original Message-----
From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu
[mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis De Witt
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:32 PM
To: MHC listserve
Subject: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
We are thinking about Preservation Award guidelines.
Assuming Chris has not already done so, I am very interested in
collecting any and all examples of guidelines that may be in use
relating to preservations awards.
In addition here are some basic philosophical questions. I'd be
interested in any literature or practice (examples) that might bear on
these questions.
a) In the case of an award relating to a building, does the award go
to a building or to the people responsible for the project?
b) Should you ever give an award to a new building just because it
fits well in its context?
c) Should you ever give an award to a new building in an LHD just
because it fits well in its context even tho it has done little more
than successfully follow the guidelines?
d) Should you ever give an award to someone who genuinely has done
some significant restoration work on an important building even though
they may have vigorously opposed some other unrelated preservation/
project?
e) Should you ever given an award to someone who has worked long and
hard to "beautify" and economically strengthen part of an NRD without
ever having really done anything related to historic fabric that could
be called preservation?
f) Should you ever give an award to someone for a project relating to
a particular property even tho they have demolished a structure on
that property which had a demolition stay imposed on it?
If nothing else. Please feel free to "vote." -- briefly or at
length. If there are enough responses, I'll tally them
Dennis De Witt
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:35:22 -0400
From: "James Hadley" <jameswhadley at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
To: "Dennis De Witt" <djdewitt at rcn.com>, "MHC listserve"
<masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
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Dennis:
Our philosophy here in Orleans, on Cape Cod (where preservation is locked in
a battle with vacation-ism, retirement-ism and consumerism, and lacks firm
roots) is to use our awards program to help build the constituency for
preservation. The good will of the community is a very important tool in
making our case. So we have not been doctrinaire in making selections of
projects. Nothing with vinyl windows, no bad modernizations of older
buildings, but no use of the Secretary of the Interior's Guidelines, either.
Yet. Naturally with this goal we give the award to the persons responsible.
I believe that every community needs to take its own position on this. Where
there is a clear understanding of the value of preservation I can see
refining the level of quality by being picky with awards. But where you are
starting from ground zero, I believe there should be a broader approach.
Bytheway, we also include an award for environmental preservation here.
James W.Hadley AIA, Pres. Orleans Historical Society, Chair, Orleans
Historical Commission
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis De Witt" <djdewitt at rcn.com>
To: "MHC listserve" <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
> We are thinking about Preservation Award guidelines.
>
> Assuming Chris has not already done so, I am very interested in
> collecting any and all examples of guidelines that may be in use
> relating to preservations awards.
>
> In addition here are some basic philosophical questions. I'd be
> interested in any literature or practice (examples) that might bear on
> these questions.
>
> a) In the case of an award relating to a building, does the award go
> to a building or to the people responsible for the project?
>
> b) Should you ever give an award to a new building just because it
> fits well in its context?
>
> c) Should you ever give an award to a new building in an LHD just
> because it fits well in its context even tho it has done little more
> than successfully follow the guidelines?
>
> d) Should you ever give an award to someone who genuinely has done
> some significant restoration work on an important building even though
> they may have vigorously opposed some other unrelated preservation/
> project?
>
> e) Should you ever given an award to someone who has worked long and
> hard to "beautify" and economically strengthen part of an NRD without
> ever having really done anything related to historic fabric that could
> be called preservation?
>
> f) Should you ever give an award to someone for a project relating to
> a particular property even tho they have demolished a structure on
> that property which had a demolition stay imposed on it?
>
> If nothing else. Please feel free to "vote." -- briefly or at
> length. If there are enough responses, I'll tally them
>
> Dennis De Witt
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> For administrative questions regarding this list, please contact
> Christopher.Skelly at state.ma.us directly. PLEASE DO NOT "REPLY" TO THE
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:06:17 -0500
From: "Marcia Starkey" <mdstarkey at crocker.com>
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
To: "Burks, Sarah" <sburks at cambridgema.gov>, "'Dennis De Witt'"
<djdewitt at rcn.com>, "'MHC listserve'" <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
Message-ID: <07E2DD166F54486390F4189BEEE03873 at Marcia>
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Sarah,
Thank you for the information and links. This is a great way to gain
visibility and positive response. I would appreciate posting of the MHC
program when it becomes active. It could expand the field.
Marcia Starkey, Greenfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "Burks, Sarah" <sburks at cambridgema.gov>
To: "'Dennis De Witt'" <djdewitt at rcn.com>; "'MHC listserve'"
<masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Cambridge's Awards program and criteria are outlined on our website,
> http://www.cambridgema.gov/historic/awards.html
>
> We give the awards to the buildings/projects, but obviously present them
> to and recognize the owners and project contributors. We also give
> certificates of merit to storefront renovations/restorations and to
> individuals who have been leaders in the local preservation community. We
> have a special award, named in honor of our former member and architect,
> Tony Platt, that honors a project exhibiting the goals of the neighborhood
> conservation districts.
>
> Sarah Burks
>
> ____________________________________________
> Sarah L. Burks
> Preservation Planner
> Cambridge Historical Commission
> 831 Massachusetts Avenue, 2nd Fl.
> Cambridge, MA 02139
> 617/349-4687 phone; 617/349-6112 TTY; 617/349-3116 fax
> http://www.cambridgema.gov/~Historic
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu
> [mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis De Witt
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:32 PM
> To: MHC listserve
> Subject: [MassHistPres] preservation award guidelines
>
> We are thinking about Preservation Award guidelines.
>
> Assuming Chris has not already done so, I am very interested in
> collecting any and all examples of guidelines that may be in use
> relating to preservations awards.
>
> In addition here are some basic philosophical questions. I'd be
> interested in any literature or practice (examples) that might bear on
> these questions.
>
> a) In the case of an award relating to a building, does the award go
> to a building or to the people responsible for the project?
>
> b) Should you ever give an award to a new building just because it
> fits well in its context?
>
> c) Should you ever give an award to a new building in an LHD just
> because it fits well in its context even tho it has done little more
> than successfully follow the guidelines?
>
> d) Should you ever give an award to someone who genuinely has done
> some significant restoration work on an important building even though
> they may have vigorously opposed some other unrelated preservation/
> project?
>
> e) Should you ever given an award to someone who has worked long and
> hard to "beautify" and economically strengthen part of an NRD without
> ever having really done anything related to historic fabric that could
> be called preservation?
>
> f) Should you ever give an award to someone for a project relating to
> a particular property even tho they have demolished a structure on
> that property which had a demolition stay imposed on it?
>
> If nothing else. Please feel free to "vote." -- briefly or at
> length. If there are enough responses, I'll tally them
>
> Dennis De Witt
> ******************************
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