[MassHistPres] windows

Wed Apr 28 14:24:55 EDT 2010

Boston Sash will make them too.

Dennis De Witt

On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Garrett Laws wrote:

> Jade,
> 
> J P Moriarty in Somerville is one who I've seen making a window hinted at in your last paragraph, chains not ropes though.
> 
> Cheers,
> Garrett
> 
> The Copper & Slate Company 
> Fine Roofing and Exterior Finish Carpentry
> 238B Calvary Street, Waltham, MA 02453
> (781) 893-1916
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/copperandslate
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:05 PM, jade <jade at crocker.com> wrote:
> when i work as a subcontractor for a general contractor and/or an architect, we are typically required to warranty our work against defects of product and/or installation under normal use...often i ask for a definition of 'defect' and 'normal use' as interpreted by the gc/architect...
>  
> as far as replacement windows are concerned, vinyl windows will begin to fail within 5 years, same with a low end wood or clad window...most manufacturers produce 2 or 3 levels of 'quality' in their window line...the cheapest will begin to fail in about 5 years; the mid-range between 5-15 years; the high end between 10-20 years...by failure, i mean tiltpack springs boinging across the room shattering your favorite knick-knack in one fell swoop; the insulated glass becoming foggy (beneficial for those with unpleasant neighbors); exterior wood components becoming punky; finger jointed wood delaminating; vinyl becoming spotted and gray and impossible to clean; those little string balance systems snapping in a location where they can not be retrieved; '30 year paint' beginning to peel in the first decade.........and so on.....
>  
> now, if you have your local sash maker mill new sash and/or frame which are made of spanish cedar, mahogany, old growth pine, etc, and mortise and tenon joinery with a rope and pully balance system you can expect 100 years or more of service if you incorporate a simple maintenance schedule...
>  
> ...jade
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Cleary
> To: 'Marcia Starkey' ; 'Dennis De Witt' ; 'MassHistPres'
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows
> 
> Correct, anything you do get from them would need to be painted and installed (if wood on either side)
> 
> I know it is hard to find someone to do a job like this.
> 
>  
> Marc Cleary
> 
> Cleary and Son, Inc.
> 
> Office 781-893-0723
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> Fax 781-894-5672
> 
> 1-800-893-0728
> 
> www.clearywindowrestoration.com
> 
> From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu [mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Marcia Starkey
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:23 AM
> To: Dennis De Witt; MassHistPres
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows
> 
>  
> Re" window sash or sash/frames: Is it always true that installation is not warranteed?
> 
>  
> Marcia Starkey, Greenfield HC
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: Dennis De Witt
> 
> To: MassHistPres
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:35 AM
> 
> Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows
> 
>  
> Replacement typically means the cost of a new sash.  You can bet that the manufacturer will charge you more for the replacement sash than the original cost for that sash as part of a new window because you've go nowhere else to go.
> 
>  
> Failures can start at 15 years and few warrantees are more than 20 years and are limited in various ways -- like roof and tire warrantees.  In my experience 10 year warranteed water heaters fail like clockwork after about 7 years.  My plumber confirms that.  The replacement one is never warrenteed.  
> 
>  
> 90% of the installed organically sealed IG is less than 25 years old.  For budgetary purposes, I'd assume a 30 year life for good units, 15 years for cheap ones.
> 
>  
> Shockingly here is something picked up at random from a local maker of replacement IG units in Maine.
> 
>  
> "Typical life expectancy for an insulated unit is between five and ten year depending greatly on the window design."
> 
>  
> Even I don't find that reasonable but that may be all you can expect with the unit not being factory installed in the sash.
> 
>  
> Dennis De Witt
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Suzanne W Pelton wrote:
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> 
> 
> Can someone supply information on the life expectancy of  replacement windows? Or the repair costs when the insulation seal between the two panes of glass ruptures?
> 
> Suzanne Pelton
> 
> Lenox Historical Commission
> 
>  
> On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Marcia Starkey wrote:
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> 
> Hello,
> 
>  
> A breakthru seems possible with the current cover story on "Fine Homebuilding" saying that repair is more advantageous than replacement. 
> 
>  
> Marcia Starkey, Greenfield HC
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