[MassHistPres] windows

Wed Apr 28 16:33:27 EDT 2010

i had jp moriarty make a sash for me many years ago...nice independent shop--great product and service...

as i understand it, marketing products on this listserv is dissuaded...i use a number of sash makers in the mass/rhode island area...send me an email if you're interested in contact information...

jade mortimer
heartwood window restoration
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garrett Laws 
  To: jade 
  Cc: Marc Cleary ; Marcia Starkey ; Dennis De Witt ; MassHistPres 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows

  Jade,

  J P Moriarty in Somerville is one who I've seen making a window hinted at in your last paragraph, chains not ropes though.

  Cheers,
  Garrett

  The Copper & Slate Company 
  Fine Roofing and Exterior Finish Carpentry
  238B Calvary Street, Waltham, MA 02453
  (781) 893-1916

  http://picasaweb.google.com/copperandslate

  On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:05 PM, jade <jade at crocker.com> wrote:

    when i work as a subcontractor for a general contractor and/or an architect, we are typically required to warranty our work against defects of product and/or installation under normal use...often i ask for a definition of 'defect' and 'normal use' as interpreted by the gc/architect...

    as far as replacement windows are concerned, vinyl windows will begin to fail within 5 years, same with a low end wood or clad window...most manufacturers produce 2 or 3 levels of 'quality' in their window line...the cheapest will begin to fail in about 5 years; the mid-range between 5-15 years; the high end between 10-20 years...by failure, i mean tiltpack springs boinging across the room shattering your favorite knick-knack in one fell swoop; the insulated glass becoming foggy (beneficial for those with unpleasant neighbors); exterior wood components becoming punky; finger jointed wood delaminating; vinyl becoming spotted and gray and impossible to clean; those little string balance systems snapping in a location where they can not be retrieved; '30 year paint' beginning to peel in the first decade.........and so on.....

    now, if you have your local sash maker mill new sash and/or frame which are made of spanish cedar, mahogany, old growth pine, etc, and mortise and tenon joinery with a rope and pully balance system you can expect 100 years or more of service if you incorporate a simple maintenance schedule...

    ...jade

    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Marc Cleary 
      To: 'Marcia Starkey' ; 'Dennis De Witt' ; 'MassHistPres' 
      Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:41 AM
      Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows

      Correct, anything you do get from them would need to be painted and installed (if wood on either side)

      I know it is hard to find someone to do a job like this.

      Marc Cleary

      Cleary and Son, Inc.

      Office 781-893-0723

      Fax 781-894-5672

      1-800-893-0728

      www.clearywindowrestoration.com

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      From: masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu [mailto:masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu] On Behalf Of Marcia Starkey
      Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:23 AM
      To: Dennis De Witt; MassHistPres
      Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows

      Re" window sash or sash/frames: Is it always true that installation is not warranteed?

      Marcia Starkey, Greenfield HC

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Dennis De Witt 

        To: MassHistPres 

        Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:35 AM

        Subject: Re: [MassHistPres] windows

        Replacement typically means the cost of a new sash.  You can bet that the manufacturer will charge you more for the replacement sash than the original cost for that sash as part of a new window because you've go nowhere else to go. 

        Failures can start at 15 years and few warrantees are more than 20 years and are limited in various ways -- like roof and tire warrantees.  In my experience 10 year warranteed water heaters fail like clockwork after about 7 years.  My plumber confirms that.  The replacement one is never warrenteed.  

        90% of the installed organically sealed IG is less than 25 years old.  For budgetary purposes, I'd assume a 30 year life for good units, 15 years for cheap ones.

        Shockingly here is something picked up at random from a local maker of replacement IG units in Maine.

        "Typical life expectancy for an insulated unit is between five and ten year depending greatly on the window design."

        Even I don't find that reasonable but that may be all you can expect with the unit not being factory installed in the sash.

        Dennis De Witt

        On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Suzanne W Pelton wrote:

        Can someone supply information on the life expectancy of  replacement windows? Or the repair costs when the insulation seal between the two panes of glass ruptures?

        Suzanne Pelton

        Lenox Historical Commission

        On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Marcia Starkey wrote:

        Hello,

        A breakthru seems possible with the current cover story on "Fine Homebuilding" saying that repair is more advantageous than replacement. 

        Marcia Starkey, Greenfield HC

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